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« on: July 19, 2003, 09:18:56 PM » |
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Bob Dylan has a song called "Subterranean Homesick Blues". Radiohead has "Subterranean Homesick Alien." Tribute or ripoff? Can you think of any other examples of artists using similiar song titles?
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2003, 09:21:12 PM » |
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Yeah, I think it was just Radiohead paying homage to The Master.
I thought of a similar case just yesterday, but it seems to have slipped my mind. I'll get back to you...
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2003, 09:34:31 PM » |
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I really dislike Limp Bizkit, but "Chocolate Starfish and the Hotdog Flavored Water" sounds a heck of a lot like the Pumpkins album title, "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness", and they weren't paying tribute to anything. Durst could learn a thing or two about subtlety from Billy Corgan, and THAT'S saying something.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2003, 09:42:17 PM » |
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Jennifer Knapp had an album called Kansas, which seems like either a ripoff or a tribute to Springsteen's Nebraska.
And of course there's REM's "The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite," a sly nod to "The Lion Sleeps Tonite."
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2003, 09:46:27 PM » |
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A newer one: Radiohead has a song called "Paperbag Writer", and the Beatles have "Paperback Writer".
The Flaming Lips recently agreed to pay royalties to Cat Stevens (now Yuseff Islam I believe) for ripping the melody for "Fight Test" off of "Father and Son", but the titles are obviously not all that similar. Both are good songs, btw.
Weird Al...nah, I won't do that :-)
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2003, 02:19:27 AM » |
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Jennifer Knapp had an album called Kansas, which seems like either a ripoff or a tribute to Springsteen's Nebraska. I seem to recall hearing somewhere that Knapp actually is from Kansas. If that's so, then the album title doesn't seem such a stretch. |
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2003, 12:17:22 PM » |
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Yeah, she is from Kansas, just as The Boss is probably from Nebraska. So ripoff is too strong a word to use, though it isn't exactly original, either.
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2003, 12:34:09 PM » |
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Yeah, she is from Kansas, just as The Boss is probably from Nebraska. So ripoff is too strong a word to use, though it isn't exactly original, either. The Boss is from New Jersey, silly. |
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2003, 12:50:31 PM » |
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Well why did The Boss name his album Nebraska? You'd never catch The Master doing something so absurd, that's for sure.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2003, 04:35:29 PM » |
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You're just jealous because The Boss is cooler than The Master.
And besides, The Boss' first album was Greetings from Asbury Park, NJ. And U2 has a song called "New York," and "Miami"; now does that mean that they're from there? I think not... you kids today.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2003, 04:37:32 PM » |
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The Boss wouldn't even be making music if it weren't for the infinitely-cooler Master! He's so cool that they even made him Master of The Boss!
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2003, 04:41:16 PM » |
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Alright, I'll give you that, but The Boss is still cooler than The Master. The Boss has the E Street Band!
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2003, 04:47:17 PM » |
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Listen to Love and Theft sometime. Dylan's band is much better than E-Street.
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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2003, 09:24:02 PM » |
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...But they don't even have a name.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2003, 09:40:26 PM » |
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Well, Dylan used to play with The Band. They had a name. His new band is so amazing that words cannot describe them, so it was either make up a random sequence of numbers and letters like U2 and REM or simply remain anonymous. They apparently chose the latter.
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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2003, 10:12:10 PM » |
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There are many "Master"s in the world of music...the title doesn't belong to Dylan alone, but I'll agree that Dylan's current band has more chops than E-Street, hands-down. They're both good, though, and Springsteen is a "Master" in his own right.
This reminds me of an observation I made. I think I view music differently from a lot of people. I don't see any one "best", nor can I pick it. Even my list of top 10s end up really being a bunch of albums that tie in my mind, but I had to choose something, so I base my entire decision on which I like more, and that's it. If I choose "the best" artist, I immediately think of a lot of artists that are as good as that one in my mind, but I just don't like as much.
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2003, 08:04:47 AM » |
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The reason why I usually DON'T post in threads about "bests" and "masters" and anything of a superlative nature is because some people (*cough*Josh*cough*Jess*cough*) tend to over-gush and hyperbolize the importance of certain artists/albums to the point that it sounds very subjective and fanboy-ish.
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2003, 09:20:56 AM » |
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Well of course it's subjective and fanboyish! That's why it's so darn fun!
But in all seriousness, and fanboy antics aside, I think Dylan is the single most influencial musician in pop music, and, because of his myriad of stylistic jumps, his first-rate songwriting, and his longevity, among other things, he's probably more deserving of a term like The Master than anyone else I'm familiar with.
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2003, 11:35:08 AM » |
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Jennifer Knapp had an album called Kansas, which seems like either a ripoff or a tribute to Springsteen's Nebraska. I concur here that naming an album after a state is not necessarily either a ripoff or a tribute. Maybe OTR's upcoming Ohio is a nod to one or the other, or maybe they just wanted to give props to their place of origin. |
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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2003, 03:52:30 PM » |
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some people (*cough*Josh*cough*Jess*cough*) tend to over-gush and hyperbolize the importance of certain artists/albums to the point that it sounds very subjective and fanboy-ish. I'm a girl. |
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2003, 07:54:27 PM » |
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Well of course it's subjective and fanboyish! That's why it's so darn fun!
But in all seriousness, and fanboy antics aside, I think Dylan is the single most influencial musician in pop music, and, because of his myriad of stylistic jumps, his first-rate songwriting, and his longevity, among other things, he's probably more deserving of a term like The Master than anyone else I'm familiar with. I'm gonna pull a PaulDA and argue for James Brown. I think he was more influential on what music sounds like now than Dylan, even though he's cited less...not that it has anything to do with quality. I think Dylan is the greater artist, but there are plenty of people that I see out there making music as good as Dylan has, but doesn't have the nostalgia to back it up yet. |
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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2003, 08:11:30 PM » |
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I'm gonna pull a PaulDA What? |
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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2003, 08:15:19 PM » |
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PaulDA is a guy that bloop and I have the pleasure of knowing at another board, and he's quite a fan of James Brown.
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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2003, 08:26:51 PM » |
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Oh, OK, I thought it was some new slang thing that I've been slow to pick up.  |
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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2003, 08:22:59 AM » |
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Oh, OK, I thought it was some new slang thing that I've been slow to pick up. I say this out of love, but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
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« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2003, 10:35:55 AM » |
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I say this out of love, but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Well, I've always been behind the curve when it comes to new phrases and stuff. When I first heard "Are you down with [whatever]?" I thought "down with" was like "DOWN WITH [WHATEVER]! So, I got that all wrong. And since I despise hip-hop music, I thought PaulDA could be some rapper guy(who I haven't heard of), who's behavior gave birth to the phrase "pulling a PaulDA". Hey, I know that sounds silly, but so does foshizzle.  |
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« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2003, 12:21:26 PM » |
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Hey, Dv. Is that just hiphop music or all R&B music? Because I think there's some really good R&B and gospel stuff out there (well, I grew up on the stuff).
James Brown is very cool of the bit of music I've heard of him. Motown is great. I really want to dig deeper into that genre. There's a lot of good stuff from Motown.
I haven't heard much of Bob Dylan's music, so I couldn't offer an opinion onto whether he's The Master. I did like one song of his: The Hurricane. Someone played it in my Humanities class. It was long, but great. : )
I don't have an opinion on the single artist who had the most influence on pop music. But if you had to pick a band, I'd say The Beatles hand down. They took the face of pop music, wiped it cleaned, and drew it all over again. Now *they* were the Masters.
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« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2003, 02:25:55 PM » |
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...well... the Beatles were great, but they owe a lot to other artists of their day, such as Dylan and the Beach Boys.
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« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2003, 04:30:19 PM » |
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Hey, Dv. Is that just hiphop music or all R&B music? Because I think there's some really good R&B and gospel stuff out there (well, I grew up on the stuff).
Both, but thats going by what I hear on the radio, so I'm probably not getting the good stuff. |
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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2003, 05:19:17 PM » |
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...well... the Beatles were great, but they owe a lot to other artists of their day, such as Dylan and the Beach Boys. Yeah, the Beatles are awfully high in my canon of pop/rock greats, but I do think they, like everyone else, stood on the shoulders of giants so to speak. I mean, Dylan did too, notably Woodie Guthrie. You're never going to work your way back far enough to the point that an artist had no influences so you can crown him "Master", because ultimately God would have influenced the first music wouldn't he have? Makes sense theologically, too. |
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« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2003, 05:30:29 PM » |
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Mmmhmm, yeah, I agree.
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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2003, 08:05:32 PM » |
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Well said, bloop. You're very right about that Josh. Dylan had a big influence on the Beatles. Heh. He introduced them pot. After mishearing one of the lyrics in "I Want to Hold Your Hand", Bob Dylan met them and gave them pot, thinking they had already tried the stuff. I guess Dylan sparked all of their drug/later music. And I really dig their later music. Maybe I should get some Dylan. Any suggestions? (Btw, the lyrics to "Hand" were "I can't hide, I can't hide, I can't hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide". But Dylan thought they had said, "I get high, I get high, I get hiiiiiiigh!". LOL. An incentive for all musicians to sing clearly.  ) |
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« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2003, 08:52:35 PM » |
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Favorite Dylan albums, in order:
Love and Theft
Time Out of Mind
Blood on the Tracks
Oh Mercy
Highway 61 Revisited
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