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« on: May 09, 2004, 10:01:29 PM » |
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It's been talked about and talked about. But how do we, as christians, "usher in the Spirit of the Lord"? Everyone has their own view. But I thought it'd be good to have new topic in here that'll make peolpe think on a different level than the norm.
Anyway, have fun and get to it! =D
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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2004, 08:37:17 AM » |
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I must confess that I'm not exactly sure what you mean here...
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Vlad!
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2004, 09:18:11 AM » |
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It seems to me that Christians can most effectively usher in the spirit of the Lord by being vessels of that same spirit.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2004, 09:50:18 AM » |
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Reading, praying, preaching, and singing the Word seem like good places to start (and finish).
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2004, 04:19:17 PM » |
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Vlad, what do you mean?? Reading, praying, preaching, and singing the Word I think that sounds good - is there other ways Christians can actively usher in the Spirit of the Lord? And, what about the spirital aspect of ushering in God's presence??? What must be done in the spirit realm? (crazy?) |
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2004, 05:05:35 PM » |
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Vlad, what do you mean??
I think that sounds good - is there other ways Christians can actively usher in the Spirit of the Lord? And, what about the spirital aspect of ushering in God's presence??? What must be done in the spirit realm? (crazy?) The things I mentioned are all fairly spiritual. Physical as well, no doubt, but still spiritual. And I can't think of anything else, really, save for fellowship with other believers and partaking in the Sacraments. Those are pretty much it. |
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2004, 06:27:14 PM » |
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What do you mean by "partaking in the sacraments"? Can you elaborate?
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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2004, 06:38:07 PM » |
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Vlad, what do you mean?? I thought it was fairly self-explanatory, but I'll elaborate: if we allow the Spirit of God to live within us, we will be carrying it with us when we talk to others and go about our lives. |
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2004, 07:30:51 PM » |
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What do you mean by "partaking in the sacraments"? Can you elaborate? I guess I was mostly talking about the Lord's Supper, really. Baptism is also an important sacrament, but it has a different function than Communion does, so I'm not sure that it really fits the bill here. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2004, 07:04:29 PM » |
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I've heard that some churches have "foot washing services", and they help to break our flesh. I'm wanting to hear some specific things to do to bring in the Spirit of the Lord.
Here's why -
The worship team for next year at CAK is about 15-17 people currrently (10 or so will be "up there" each week). So, I want this team to be so Christ dependent that all we want to do is be with Him and give glory to Him through the instruments. I want to begin and end every practice session with prayer - short prayer at the start (5-10 min) and end with a half an hour or see how long we just want to dwell in the presence of God. But I'm trying to find things that will get people interested in the spiritual side of Christianity - not just the rules and ways of living. I want the Spirit to come and move in us so we can ultimately change CAK.
I don't know why I'm in charge of this - I'm such a work in progress and am hugely unqualified for this. But, I'm trusting God to teach me more than just vocals. Anyway, ideas on hands on things we can do?
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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2004, 07:49:12 PM » |
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Ultimately, I don't think you really need to do much more than reading the Word and praying, quite honestly. That's both sides of the relationship, after all-- God communicates with us via His Word, we communicate with Him through prayer.
What else do you need?
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2004, 04:46:23 PM » |
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What happens when things get tough and "we" don't want to keep going??
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2004, 07:38:29 PM » |
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What happens when things get tough and "we" don't want to keep going?? You mean we don't want to keep praying? |
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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2004, 09:14:47 PM » |
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yup, then what? isn't that when we fail?
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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2004, 09:30:19 PM » |
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yup, then what? isn't that when we fail? Well, we only pray when God gives us the desire to; after all, on our own, we fallen men want nothing to do with God. So if God wants us to pray then He'll give us the will to do so. "For it is God who works in us to will and to act according to His purpose..." |
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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2004, 01:50:15 PM » |
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Aren't we suppose to die to the flesh and pray even when we don't feel like it? I thought our feelings aren't suppose to control us. We are to be Spirit-led and not led by our feelings - they are two separate things. Or, are you talking about something different?
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2004, 06:10:41 PM » |
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Actually, I'm saying the exact same thing you're saying. If we trust our feeling, we will NEVER, EVER pray, because fallen men simply don't feel like praying. We only pray when the Lord moves in our hearts to do so.
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2004, 08:09:13 PM » |
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It's sounds similar, but it's still different. or maybe I'm completely ignorant. So forcing oneself to pray isn't a good idea to you? Oh, I hate those times!  |
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