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« on: July 24, 2003, 12:00:22 PM » |
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Here's a film to add to your list of great films with somewhat extreme language: Insomnia. I thought it was very well done, and I hope either this post or my review convinces you pholks that it's worth a rent (if you haven't seen it already; it came out a year or so ago).
After we watched it, Mark commented that this is the first movie he's seen where Robin Williams is the bad guy. I certainly haven't seen all of his movies (a quick check on IMDB has him playing various roles in 65 movies over the past 25 or so years, including (disturbingly enough) the role of John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt in To Wong Foo: Thanks for Everything), but I have to concur: I don't know of any other time when he was unquestionably a villian. In One Hour Photo he's a creepy guy, but I wouldn't call him a villian per se. So here's your chance to prove me wrong: have you pholks ever seen RW play/voice an antagonist?
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2003, 12:29:04 PM » |
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Not that I can think. Not that I've watched *every* movie or production Robin Williams has played a part in, but I can't think of a single one.
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\"Living your life like you're trapped in a bad rap video is just not that appealing.\"
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2003, 02:00:43 PM » |
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First of all... Insomnia is a brilliant film. Captivating, thought-provoking, and very artfully made. It's quite possibly my favorite thriller, at least since the days of Hitchcock.
And second... Williams was a bad guy in the offbeat Death to Smoochy, a film that's darkly funny and ultimately worth seeing, though it isn't as good as Insomnia.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2003, 07:28:45 PM » |
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Thank you for chosing Magic Carpet for all your travel needs. Don't stand till the rug has come to a complete stop. Thank you, good bye, good bye, thank you, good bye!
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2003, 07:44:16 PM » |
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Hee hee, polka dot. Wait are you suggesting the Blue Dude was behind Jafar all along?  |
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\"Living your life like you're trapped in a bad rap video is just not that appealing.\"
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2003, 12:09:50 AM » |
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Thank you for chosing Magic Carpet for all your travel needs. Don't stand till the rug has come to a complete stop. Thank you, good bye, good bye, thank you, good bye! That movie is my only experience with Robin Williams. Seems like he is a funny guy, though. Maybe I should try to find something of his thats not too profanity filled. |
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Newton's Third Law is wrong: Although it states that for each action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, there is no force equal in reaction to a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2003, 08:17:17 AM » |
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He's had some poor films (What Dreams May Come), as well as some funny but cheesy ones (Mrs. Doubtfire), but I think his roles in movies like Dead Poets Society and Insomnia prove his versatility, ability to project emotion, and genuine acting talent. And second... Williams was a bad guy in the offbeat Death to Smoochy, a film that's darkly funny and ultimately worth seeing, though it isn't as good as Insomnia. Haven't seen it, but it's interesting to know that Insomnia wasn't the only one...thanks for the catch there. |
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2003, 09:20:19 AM » |
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Smoochy seems like the kind of film that you might find amusing, Vlad! It's about a children's show host (Rainbow Ralph, played by Williams) who is replaced by a new host (a big pink rhino, I think it was), and then goes beserk and tries to kill the new guy. Quality!
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2003, 10:12:23 AM » |
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Yay! I'll have to rent it sometime.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2003, 03:39:14 PM » |
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By the way, Smoochy is played by Edward Norton, another reason to watch it.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2003, 03:54:07 PM » |
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Has any one seen Jumanji? Its really good Movie!
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2003, 11:07:08 PM » |
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I just heard about Death to Smoochy... that RW played the bad guy and was just about to mention it and seem all smart... but then Josh beat me to it. Oh well. RW is one of my favorite actors, and he is becoming more and more versatile...
here's a the list off the top of my head of RW films I've seen.
Insomnia
Mrs. Doubtfire
Good Will Hunting
Aladin
Aladin 3: Prince of Theives (ROFL!!)
Good Morning Vietnam
Jack
Patch Adams
I'm sure there are more, but that's all for now. He does seem to have a lot of profanity in his movies though... beware of Good Will Hunting.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2003, 11:08:11 PM » |
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I also heard Death to Smoochy was kinda perverted. Is that true?
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2003, 11:20:58 PM » |
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Perverted? No. Whoever said that must not have been paying very close attention. It's dark, for sure, and very sharp. Not a light movie at all. But perverted? Naaah.
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2003, 11:46:24 PM » |
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What movie would you compare it to?
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2003, 09:50:28 AM » |
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Oh, gosh... any black comedy, I guess. The sharp edge of its humor reminds me of Zoolander, though the film itself is unlike Zoolander, both stylistically, storywise, etc.
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Vlad!
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2003, 09:59:54 PM » |
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Mark and I watched it tonight. I liked it, though the language was a bit extreme.
Interestingly, I'm not sure I'd call Robin Williams' character a villian. He was certainly bad in the beginning, but he had a Hollywood-esque turnaround there at the end. In DTS he played a corrupt, bad man who found some good in himself. In Insomnia, he played a quiet, decent man who found some evil in himself. Both of the characters were reprehensible, but neither were fully and completely evil. Very well-done, Mr. Williams.
And Prince of Theives did have us rolling on the floor laughing! Quality.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2003, 05:05:19 PM » |
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I laughed very hard in some spots in DTS too... but they're mostly "you had to be there moments..."
Now I can at least add it to my list! Haha!
Anyone have any insights on the film? Maybe I'm just watching TOO many movies recently, cause I can't seem to cling to many good messages of these films I've been watching lately. Any thoughts on too much movie watching?
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2003, 05:15:10 PM » |
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Good comedy serves as a magnifying glass, showing us those things in our lives that are absurd and stupid. and I think Smoochy is like that. I'll get into specifics later after I refresh my memory of the film... it's been a while since I watched it...
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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2003, 10:47:08 PM » |
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hm. good call. Can't wait to see your insights.
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2003, 08:38:32 AM » |
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Yeah, I'd be interested to hear what you pholks think about Ranbow Randolph and whether he's a villian character.
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2003, 09:55:54 AM » |
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SPOILERS.
Ralph serves as a villain for most of the film, but eventually he is redeemed. I brought this film up originally, though, simply to show that Williams *can* play the role of a "bad guy" in films besides Insomnia, even if the characters ends up being less "bad" than we initially suspect he is.
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2003, 10:11:06 AM » |
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Aha. Yes, and a good point. There are a great number of people in that film who would fit the description of villain, which is one reason why the film is a bit more dark than most comedies, but in the end a lot of them seem to play at least a small role for what I guess you would call 'good'.
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2003, 04:35:09 PM » |
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So what parts of society does DTS point out as needing attention?
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2003, 06:25:24 PM » |
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Mark and I saw One Hour Photo today and, to be honest, I didn't really like it at all. I'm still not sure RW is a total villain, but definitely a guy I wouldn't want within a 50-mile radius of MY house...
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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2003, 07:05:52 PM » |
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I just finished watching One Hour Photo...and I really don't get it. the camerawork and visual style was interesting, as well as the monologue about why we take pictures, but the ending was...I don't know. odd. especially the very last shot.
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2003, 02:19:51 PM » |
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Mark told me that the reason he had all those photos of comonplace objects relates to what he said about what we take pictures of: he took pictures of things that were nothing special, things that indicated that he had nothing really important in his life. I thought this was fairly plausible.
The random dream with the blood spurting out of his eyes was fairly disturbing. I could have done without that. Ditto for most of the nudity.
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2003, 12:29:14 PM » |
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I think the random dream means more than "meets the eye" ... but I'm not quite sure what it is yet. Like Schill said, I liked the stuff about why we take pictures... and like Vlad! said, most of the nudity was annoying (especially with my lousy fast-forwarding skill!)...
The porno pictures definately weren't necessary, but the other scene, although gross, is, I believe, necessary for what the director was trying to convey. I'm on the fence on whether I like this movie or not. Read Jeffery's review of it on Looking Closer for some good insights.
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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2003, 04:08:11 PM » |
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(especially with my lousy fast-forwarding skill!)... Yeah, we're going to have to work on that... |
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