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« on: July 26, 2003, 08:33:54 PM »

I just came across the CMCentral forums today by following a link from one of bloop's posts, and I found a thread discussing this article.  Its a very interesting article about the current Christian music industry.  Read and discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2003, 07:49:50 AM »

I think the article is interesting, but a little too nostalgic for its own good.  Early CCM isn't very good IMO.  I'll take Switchfoot over anyone in the Jesus hippie movement of the 70s, for example.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2003, 11:12:21 PM »

Interesting article. I don't know if agree with everything in it. I mean, is it so bad that Lifehouse really just wants to write good music? Their faith still shines through.

Or Switchfoot. Should they really be preaching and confrontational with their faith? Should they say "Jesus" in their music? Is using the Lord's earthly name the only way we can convey our faith meaningfully?

I mean, maybe Larry Norman was cool and all, but the culture has changed. It's not the '60s and '70s anymore.

Who knows. But it's something to think about. And something, I'm sure, many Christian pop artists (yes, popular music artists) struggle with.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2003, 11:14:56 PM »

Good words, afro.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2003, 11:32:48 PM »

Not having heard Larry Norman at all, I can't judge his music.  And I don't believe a Christian band has to be preaching all the time.  I do agree with the article on the whole commercialness issue.  I hate music thats highly marketed and hyped, yet really isn't that good.  Just because the singer or band is good looking or sounds like a popular secular artist does not mean they make great music.  They are just more marketable.  
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2003, 08:56:23 AM »

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I feel that the CCM industry has become more and more of a crutch for many artists. It was a great way to introduce Christian-themed music into a world that knew nothing of it, but now it's become a little enclave of culture, allowing mediocrity to feed on itself and defended by rabid fanboys who claim that nobody can judge the outpourings of a man's soul and therefore anyone critical of a CCM band is obvously working against Christ Himself. Not to say that ALL Christian bands are mediocre, and said fanboys do have a point, but it's gotten to the point where Christian music produced exclusively under a Christian label is seen as being something that it's not by the secular world, and the artificial supports that it represents need to be adjusted or removed entirely.

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Or Switchfoot. Should they really be preaching and confrontational with their faith? Should they say "Jesus" in their music? Is using the Lord's earthly name the only way we can convey our faith meaningfully?

Certainly not, but should we really have to resort to allusions and metaphors to convey our feelings? After all, Paul was preaching and confrontational. Maybe music isn't the best medium for an intellectual debate or a heated diatribe, but I think we shouldn't have to be obscure or sidelong about our faith: put it right out there for people to see. Just so long as you're not screaming self-righteous and patriotic accusations at your listeners (*cough* Pillar *cough*).

Assuming any of that makes sense...
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2003, 09:39:03 AM »

Yawn... that article was lengthy and well-intentioned, but something tells me it's just a publicity stunt to get people to buy Larry Norman albums.

Oh, and some of those lyrics were somewhat, um, bold, to put it nicely.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2003, 09:42:26 AM »

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I hate music thats highly marketed and hyped, yet really isn't that good.

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I feel that the CCM industry has become more and more of a crutch for many artists. It was a great way to introduce Christian-themed music into a world that knew nothing of it, but now it's become a little enclave of culture, allowing mediocrity to feed on itself and defended by rabid fanboys who claim that nobody can judge the outpourings of a man's soul and therefore anyone critical of a CCM band is obvously working against Christ Himself.

Agreed.

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Certainly not, but should we really have to resort to allusions and metaphors to convey our feelings? After all, Paul was preaching and confrontational.

First, perhaps that is just part of an artist's poetic discretion. Some people, when they write, are just more proned to writing in metaphors and allusions. It may not be something they are forcing, but when they write about anything, including their faith, it comes out metaphorically. (By the way, although Switchfoot has not said "Jesus" in their music yet, there have been references to God, the Spirit, and the cross.) Of course, I think sometimes it's forced (you can't tell me all these Christian artists are just naturally elusive). I don't really think that's always right.

Second, we're not all called to be Pauls. While we are called to go out into the world and spread the Gospel, we're not all called to be street preachers. We are one body with many parts. Some maybe called to be confrontational, and perhaps others are called to be more gentle in their expression of faith. God can use both as means to drawing people to Him. I think at a certain point, it's between the artist and God as to what their calling is.

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Maybe music isn't the best medium for an intellectual debate or a heated diatribe, but I think we shouldn't have to be obscure or sidelong about our faith: put it right out there for people to see.

Perhaps there are different ways to putting out one's faith. It certainly should not be hidden. But once again, people express their faith differently. I don't think we *have* to be obscure. Heh, sometimes I get fed up with the could-be-God-could-be-a-girl-or-guy "you" often used.

I guess we've hit the confusing area of art-meets-faith. Just by producing good art, aren't we glorifying God. And if we lift Him up, won't He draw all men unto Him? It's not our job to save people. To preach the Gospel, yes, but not to save people. And I think living out the Gospel is much more important than writing about it explicitly in one's lyrics. If you have faith, it will come out. Let it come out. God calls each artist to play a different role in the world, and I don't think there's one role that's better or more right than another. Many parts, but one body. Even if we can't understand it. Again, I think this is valuable to discuss, because it can be quite confusing.
 
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2003, 09:50:46 AM »

CCM is too agenda-driven. Whenever music is created to serve as propaganda (not that evangelism is the same as propaganda, but in this case...), it loses something. Music shouldn't be lesson-driven or created with the purpose of telling a listener what to think. To paraphrase Tolkien, one should focus on creating the best story (or song, in this case) one can, and, more often than not, you'll find that it's applicable to the lives of your listeners.

 
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2003, 09:51:57 AM »

Speaking of being quite confusing, I'm confused myself: are you saying/were you saying that artists SHOULD come right out and say what they're talking about or SHOULDN'T? I agree that a balance is best: some artists may like to have it out in the open, while others don't exactly hide it but are more circumspect.

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Second, we're not all called to be Pauls. While we are called to go out into the world and spread the Gospel, we're not all called to be street preachers. We are one body with many parts. Some maybe called to be confrontational, and perhaps others are called to be more gentle in their expression of faith. God can use both as means to drawing people to Him. I think at a certain point, it's between the artist and God as to what their calling is.

Of course not. I firmly believe that each person is free to express themselves and their faith in whatever way they choose: even f the intent is to glorify God, you still don't have to say His name after each verse. I merely thought you were issuing a blanket statement saying that NO Christian band should make direct references to Jesus and the cross, and I thought that was a little extreme, to say the least.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2003, 09:57:50 AM »

I apologize, Vlad!. I think we are actually in agreement here. I was trying to say that a balance is best between two. And I think Josh says best what I was trying to say. Artists ought to work to create the best art they can. Their faith will shine through. Just let it naturally flow.

Yes, I think if was saying that Christian bands should make no reference to their faith in songs, that *would be* a bit extreme. Sorry for the confusion. I had just woken up and hadn't had breakfast yet. (I still haven't had breakfast yet...you know, I think I'll go do that.)   Wink  
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« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2003, 10:13:57 AM »

Don't worry; I understand. You're not the only one to have made a post that's unintentionally more confusing than you meant it to be Wink

So we do seem to be on the same side here. Always a good place to be  =)  
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