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« on: December 27, 2004, 07:17:32 PM »

I just finished reading Silence, the acclaimed novel from Japanese Catholic author Shusaku Endo.

Simply put, I have never read a more moving and powerful story about faith. Sometimes it cuts so deeply to my heart, and explores issues of faith in Jesus with such depth and mystery, that it feels as though you are in the presence of Christ Himself as you read it.

It's a very simple, sparsely written story, set in the 17th century, about two European missionaries who take the Gospel to imperialist Japan. But it's not just your typical story of evangelism and martyrdom; what happens to these characters in Japan is so surprising, so troubling, so frightening, and so rife with mystery and struggle that I'm sure it will haunt me for weeks to come.

Reading it forced me to wrestle with some huge questions and issues with my own faith, and, sometimes, it ignited a spirit of worship and humility in me. It's that powerful.

In fact... and here I go with my usual extremism... it may be the most affecting novel I've ever read.

You must all read it IMMEDIATELY. I cannot recommend it enough.
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2004, 07:24:22 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2004, 07:26:41 PM »

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You must all read it IMMEDIATELY. I cannot recommend it enough.
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No, but I will feel very, very sorry for you.

...and I might stab you.
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2004, 07:42:18 PM »

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You must all read it IMMEDIATELY. I cannot recommend it enough.
ya gonna shoot me if I don't?
No, but I will feel very, very sorry for you.

...and I might stab you.
I doubt I could find it anywhere around here.  Anyways, I've got plenty of my own books to read including a few c.s. lewis ones to finish, a couple John Feinstein sports books (of course), etc...
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2005, 04:17:59 PM »

So, have you all gone to your local library to request this one yet?

If not... what are you waiting for? It's an extraordinary novel, beautifully written and immensely provocative in its exploration of the Christian faith.

I guarantee you that, if you read it, it will be the best novel you read all year. Period.
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2005, 02:05:19 AM »

The arguing at the end of this thread has been moved to the Off-Topic forum. If you're looking for that, go there. If you wish to discuss the book, post here.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2005, 10:40:08 AM »

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I guarantee you that, if you read it, it will be the best novel you read all year. Period.
I do have to wonder about these statements, though.  I mean, do you know what other novels he's going to read this year?  Have you yourself read all the novels your going to read this year?
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2005, 09:00:14 PM »

on chapter 3, I believe.  So far, not too bad.  It is a very interesting book and I'm enjoying it so far.  Not at the high level of josh, but still enjoying it.  
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2005, 01:57:37 PM »

Digging this thread up from the boneyard...

I'm taking a course in Modern Japanese lit this semester, so I'm going to be reading this (and most likely doing a presentation on it).  Have you finished the book, Wanderer?  It'd be nice to have a three-way conversation going with you and Josh once I'm done, if you guys are up to it.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2005, 05:07:47 PM »

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I'm taking a course in Modern Japanese lit this semester, so I'm going to be reading this (and most likely doing a presentation on it).  Have you finished the book, Wanderer?  It'd be nice to have a three-way conversation going with you and Josh once I'm done, if you guys are up to it.
I tried to finish it, but I lost interest in the book very quickly.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2005, 05:37:21 PM »

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I'm taking a course in Modern Japanese lit this semester, so I'm going to be reading this (and most likely doing a presentation on it).  Have you finished the book, Wanderer?  It'd be nice to have a three-way conversation going with you and Josh once I'm done, if you guys are up to it.
I read it, so I can fill in for the Wanderer, if need be.
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2005, 06:48:39 PM »

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I'm taking a course in Modern Japanese lit this semester, so I'm going to be reading this (and most likely doing a presentation on it).  Have you finished the book, Wanderer?  It'd be nice to have a three-way conversation going with you and Josh once I'm done, if you guys are up to it.
I read it, so I can fill in for the Wanderer, if need be.
You can take my place since I abandoned ship a while back.
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2005, 03:17:00 PM »

Okay, for those of you who have read the book, a question... with major SPOILERS ahead...

... did Father Rodrigues do the right thing?
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2005, 10:37:05 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2005, 11:29:45 AM »

Boy oh boy, do I ever disagree!

There IS reconciliation in the end, and Father Rodrigues DOES feel the presence of God... did you read the last chapter, Dv? Father Rodrigues writes about the silence of God and really puts it into perspective, which makes me a little bit baffled by some of the questions you raise about the book's worldview.

In many ways, Endo's book reminds me of some of the dark Davidic Psalms, in which King David struggled with some of the very same feelings of God's absence that plagued Father Rodrigues. With our flawed human perspective, it might seem like God has abandoned us, and, when He finally does answer us, we may question why it took him so long. But God's timing is perfect; in the words of Sam Phillips, "after you've given up and all is gone, help is coming one day late..."

As for whether or not you would question your faith in such a scenario, Dv, I agree with you that yeah, that would probably happen, as it did to Father Rodrigues. And that's probably not such a bad thing... after all, what kind of a faith is it that never questions?
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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2005, 11:50:30 AM »

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There IS reconciliation in the end, and Father Rodrigues DOES feel the presence of God... did you read the last chapter, Dv? Father Rodrigues writes about the silence of God and really puts it into perspective, which makes me a little bit baffled by some of the questions you raise about the book's worldview.
 
I read the last chapter about three times, in fact, but I'll read it again and make sure I'm not forgetting anything.  Off to work for now, more later...
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2005, 10:44:50 PM »

I'm afraid I haven't made much headway through the book yet (darn midterms), so I can't contribute to the debate at hand, but what background of the story I've gathered has been extremely troubling.
I'm actually not sure what disturbs me more, the eventual extermination of the church in Japan, or the underground church that survives today, with its bastardized Christianity.

From a 1995 article by Philip Yancey in Christianity Today:

In the late nineteenth century, when Japan finally
permitted a Catholic church to be built in Nagasaki to serve Western
visitors, priests were astonished to see Japanese Christians streaming down
from the hills; they were Kakure, or crypto-Christians, who had been meeting
in secret for 240 years. Worship without the benefit of a Bible or book of
liturgy had taken a toll, however: their faith had survived as a curious
amalgam of Catholicism, Buddhism, animism, and Shintoism.

The Kakure had no remnant of belief in the Trinity, and over the years the
Latin words of the Mass had devolved into a kind of pidgin language: Ave
Maria gratia plena dominus tecum benedicta had become Ame Maria karassa binno
domisu terikobintsu, and no one had the slightest idea what these sounds
meant. Believers revered the "closet god," bundles of cloth wrapped around
Christian medallions and statues that were concealed in a closet disguised as
a Buddhist shrine.

Around 30,000 of these Kakure Christians still worship today, and 80 house
churches carry on the tradition of the "closet god." Roman Catholics have
tried to embrace them and bring them back into the mainstream of faith, but
the Kakure resist. "We have no interest in joining his church," said one of
their leaders after a visit from Pope John Paul II; "We, and nobody else, are
true Christians."

If God enabled the Kakure christians to survive, why did He not reveal Himself to them?  Having given them the unfmathomable faith to endure, why did He not leave them His Word?  There may have been reconciliation for Father Rodrigues at the end, but for the historical Japanese underground church, the silence of God went on for more than 240 years.  You can say that it continues today, for those who have not been brought back to the mainstream Church.

Why would God allow this to happen?  I know Endo talks about the "Japanese swamp" and the seemingly unbridgeable gap between cultures; does he strive to explain this silence on a historical scale any further?
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