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« on: July 31, 2003, 08:53:18 AM » |
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Hey, all. I found an article on the web written by someone who decided to go "Christian" for 7 days. Read and discuss. A Look Into the Ark |
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\"Living your life like you're trapped in a bad rap video is just not that appealing.\"
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Chainsaw Butterfly
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2003, 09:59:12 AM » |
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This one sentence is absolute beauty: Ark culture is mall Christianity. There is a reason I have nothing to do with Christian bookstores. |
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2003, 10:06:17 AM » |
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"The problem is lack of faith. Ark culture is a bad Xerox of the mainstream, not a truly distinctive or separate achievement. Without the courage to lead, it numbly follows, picking up the major media's scraps and gluing them back together with a cross on top"
that whole article was extremely well-written and loaded with poignant snippets . . .
just like . . .
no, it's good.
peace . . .
love . . .
bdg . . .
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Josh
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2003, 10:17:18 AM » |
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An excellent article. *Applause*. And I agree with Danny- Christian bookstores must die, along with all other elements of the Christian subculture, which, as far as I can see, is totally unbiblical and inappropriate.
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2003, 10:44:47 AM » |
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Wow, that was one of the more interesting articles I've read in a long time. I agree with a lot of what that guy said, but you can tell he wasn't going into the whole thing with a great view of Christians. I don't think all "Christian culture" stuff is bad. I listen to some Christian music. I like World magazine. I don't think they are all ripoffs. But in general, most of the stuff is pretty sad.
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2003, 11:29:32 AM » |
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Lots of very worthwhile thinking points given in that article.
But it seems to me that he tries put himself into a culture that 95% of people that call themselves Christians wouldn't step into. Personally I don't know anyone that gives the time of day to those Christian tv broadcasts he mentioned. He gives the impression that all Christians are caught up in a little cocoon, never hearing the news from an outside source, never watching a show outside a Christian network, never listening to anything but music from a Christian label, never reading a novel by someone other than the likes of Tim Lahaye, and the list goes on.
Don't let him get you down about all things in the Christian subculture (like relevant magazine) cause real ministries and blessings do take place through of these things.
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2003, 11:34:40 AM » |
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First off... ixoye, I'm not sure if I've ever welcomed you to the Phorum or not, so if I've neglected that, then... welcome.  Great to have you aboard. Second... I'm not too big a fan of Relevant, but I'll save that for another thread. And third... yeah, he went farther than most Christians go, but he tapped into the "sacred vs. secular" mindset that MOST Christians I know have, which is, I think, a poor attitude to have. For that, I think this article is important. |
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2003, 01:26:01 PM » |
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I have to say that I really needed the "Christian bubble" when I first became a Christian. I needed to be able to go to a Christian bookstore and not worry that the CD I was buying presented false theology. I needed to only listen to music about God, because I was training my mind to always consider what God wanted. However, a year and a half later, I see the bubble as a tacky place that discourages intelligent thought. So, my opinion is that the Christian subculture is a great place for new Christians, and for Christian teens who can't quite see right from wrong yet. But you have to know when to move on. You can't hide from the world.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2003, 01:47:28 PM » |
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I needed to be able to go to a Christian bookstore and not worry that the CD I was buying presented false theology. I needed to only listen to music about God, because I was training my mind to always consider what God wanted. I totally respect your wanting to stay within CCMLand when you first became a Christian, so don't think I'm trying to give you a hard time, but permit me a couple of nitpicks: First of all, a lot of music found in Christian bookstores has poor theology, in my opinion. And second, a lot of music not found in Christian bookstores is very God-centered. But I understand what you're getting at. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2003, 03:56:17 PM » |
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Excellent article!!!!! latinchic  |
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2003, 04:11:07 PM » |
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Welcome to the boards, ixoye41! It's good to have you join us. =) I pretty much agree with you guys about this. Good points, Josh. Although, I would like to hear about your less than enthusiastic thoughts about Relevant.  |
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2003, 04:12:17 PM » |
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Hey!
I have the issue where that article came from! It's an excellent read. I love me some GQ.
It comes with some funny artwork, too.
Peace out,
Andree
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2003, 06:39:40 PM » |
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I totally respect your wanting to stay within CCMLand when you first became a Christian, so don't think I'm trying to give you a hard time, but permit me a couple of nitpicks: First of all, a lot of music found in Christian bookstores has poor theology, in my opinion. And second, a lot of music not found in Christian bookstores is very God-centered.
But I understand what you're getting at. I now realize that a lot of music in non-Christian stores is very God-centered. But did I when I first became a Christian? The answer is no. You have to realize that, being raised in a completely secular environment means you have no understanding of subtle Christian references. Heck, I didn't even realize that most of the songs on Lifehouse's No Name Face were Christian until like 6 months after I became a Christian! And it's not that I'm dense or anything, it's that it took me a while to start thinking Christianese all the time. People that have been Christians for a long time can see God in all kinds of things, but it was very difficult for me see at first. I had to grow...SCC seems dorky to me now, but a year ago he almost made me cry! When you haven't been exposed to the gospel your whole life, nothing seems overdone or cheesy to you. When I first started reading the Bible, I remember wondering who this "son of man" guy was that they were always talking about. I had to actually ask my friend about it to realize that the son of man and Jesus were the same person!  |
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2003, 07:06:44 PM » |
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That was a quality article. And I think you aren't giving the writer enough credit--I think he knows that not all Christians indulge in this 'Ark culture' (that's a GREAT term for it, by the way). He's not even denoucing Christianity, really--just the pathetic imitations that it often tries to push forth.
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Josh
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2003, 07:09:58 PM » |
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(that's a GREAT term for it, by the way). WORD. |
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