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« on: March 31, 2005, 12:03:21 PM »

Round two has begun. Here's what we will be reviewing this time around:

bdg: The Wedding - The Wedding
bloop: Anberlin - Never Take Friendship Personal
Danny: W0rmSiGn - Big in Japan
Josh: Vic Chesnutt - Ghetto Bells
Murlough: Over the Rhine - Drunkard's Prayer
worldofcm: House of Heroes - House of Heroes

You all have until midnight PST (oh wait, is it PDT?) next Wednesday to guess our ratings.
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2005, 12:11:57 PM »

bdg: 3 Stars
bloop: 4 Stars
Danny: 4 Stars
Josh: 3 Stars
Murlough: 4 Stars
WorldofCM: 3 Stars
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2005, 01:26:44 PM »

I haven't heard three of these albums, so i'm gonna have to do some research before I place my guesses...
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2005, 02:26:09 PM »

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I haven't heard three of these albums, so i'm gonna have to do some research before I place my guesses...
As will I, at least if you don't count Anberlin. And I'm still baffled on that one because it's bloop.
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2005, 03:03:12 PM »

EDITED 4/4:


bdg: The Wedding - The Wedding... 3
bloop: Anberlin - Never Take Friendship Personal... 4
Danny: W0rmSiGn - Big in Japan... 5
Murlough: Over the Rhine - Drunkard's Prayer... 5
worldofcm: House of Heroes... 4
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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2005, 03:51:47 PM »

This is gonna be tough, I've only heard the Anberlin album, and I'm not sure what to guess on that.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2005, 03:54:53 PM »

Danny, where the heck did you dig up this Wormsign band? AMG doesn't even have an entry for them...
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2005, 07:20:46 PM »

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Danny, where the heck did you dig up this Wormsign band? AMG doesn't even have an entry for them...
Hmm. If something is so obscure that it's not even in AMG, I might have to reconsider whether it's valid. Maybe we should require people to post a link with soundclips from the album they're reviewing?

NP: "Time Enough for Tears", The Corrs
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2005, 10:38:25 PM »

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Hmm. If something is so obscure that it's not even in AMG, I might have to reconsider whether it's valid. Maybe we should require people to post a link with soundclips from the album they're reviewing?

NP: "Time Enough for Tears", The Corrs
I'll do one better - the entire album is available free online. http://www.virusworldindustries.com/biginjapan.html
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2005, 06:52:39 AM »

bdg - The Wedding, The Wedding:  3 stars
Josh - Ghetto Bells, Vic Chestnut:  5 stars
Murlough - Drunkard's Prayer, Over the Rhine:  4 stars (the only one I didn't need outside research)
WorldofCM - House of Heroes, House of Heroes:  4 stars
danny - Big in Japan, Wormsign:  3 stars

No clips of House of Heroes on AMG yet, and I haven't found time to download danny's choice, so I'll add those later.

btw, since we all can just omit guesses, there seems to be no particular advantage for picking something very obscure, not that I think that was the strategy.  However, there may be some advantage to picking something that doesn't fully line up with the usual raves (which is kind of a rationale for picking Anberlin this round).  Just for example, I don't think I'd pick a Radiohead album for this game unless I really didn't find it to be that good (then, of course, if I do choose that one people can now better guess what to go with).
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2005, 07:19:21 AM »

I found some house of heroes mp3s on their website.
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2005, 05:17:40 PM »

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btw, since we all can just omit guesses, there seems to be no particular advantage for picking something very obscure, not that I think that was the strategy.

If you omit a guess, it counts as a 0, which does figure into your average for that round, just so you know.
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2005, 05:19:19 PM »

bdg: 3
bloop: 4
Danny: 3
Josh: 3
Murlough: 4
worldofcm: 3

 
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2005, 05:29:10 PM »

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If you omit a guess, it counts as a 0, which does figure into your average for that round, just so you know.
Oh, ok.  It was my understanding that if you omit a guess that it just doesn't count for or against you.  Good you cleared that up.

So, just the opposite of what I said is true.  The more obscure and difficult to research, the better for yourself.
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2005, 05:38:22 PM »

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So, just the opposite of what I said is true.  The more obscure and difficult to research, the better for yourself.
True, I suppose, but I was hoping that we'd go with stuff that we were listening to anyway, instead of purposefully choosing random stuff to outwit the others.

Anyway, I'll enforce the rule I previously mentioned. If it's not in AMG and you can't provide a link with sound clips, it's not allowed. Danny's entry is OK because he provided sound clips (more than that, actually).
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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2005, 06:11:02 PM »

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I found some house of heroes mp3s on their website.
I could do the web search, but do I have to?

If there's nothing available, does pubbing it count?
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2005, 07:59:07 PM »

bdg: 3 stars
bloop: 3 stars
Danny: 4 stars
Josh: 4 stars
Murlough: 5 stars
worldofcm: 4 stars
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2005, 09:12:08 PM »

bdg: 4 stars
bloop: 3 stars
Danny: 5 stars
Josh: 5 stars
Murlough: 5 stars
worldofcm: 4 stars
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2005, 07:31:50 AM »

Thanks goodness eatahouse sucks beyond my suckiness at this - second to last place after one round!!!

bdg: The Wedding - The Wedding
3 stars

bloop: Anberlin - Never Take Friendship Personal
3 stars

Danny: W0rmSiGn - Big in Japan
5 stars

Josh: Vic Chesnutt - Ghetto Bells
4 stars

Murlough: Over the Rhine - Drunkard's Prayer
4 stars

worldofcm: House of Heroes - House of Heroes
3 stars
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2005, 11:31:53 AM »

bloop: 4
Danny:5
Josh: 3
Murlough:4
worldofcm: 3


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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2005, 02:00:32 PM »

bdg: 3 stars
bloop: 3 stars
Danny: 5 stars
Josh: 5 stars
worldofcm: 3 stars

I might change a few of these upon further analysis.
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2005, 02:08:10 PM »

Go here to find some full mp3's.  They are not the final album version, but Mercedes Baby, Buckets For Bullet Wounds, and Friday Night are all on the Gotee album.
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2005, 02:13:10 PM »

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Go here to find some full mp3's.  They are not the final album version, but Mercedes Baby, Buckets For Bullet Wounds, and Friday Night are all on the Gotee album.
Sorry to be a stickler, but I need to hear some of what's actually on the album. If that's not possible then this album might need to wait until after it's released (and sites like musichristian.com, for example, have sound clips up) to be a part of the game.
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2005, 02:19:46 PM »

Jesusfreakhideout has clips for 5 songs.
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2005, 02:22:02 PM »

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That's reasonable. So the album does qualify for this round.

NP: "Voices from Stillainte", Wormsign
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« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2005, 03:58:25 PM »

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That's reasonable. So the album does qualify for this round.

NP: "Voices from Stillainte", Wormsign
Oh, and PureVolume has the full length tracks for both "Buckets" and "Serial Sleepers"
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« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2005, 05:12:43 PM »

Hey guys, sorry, I didn't even think about whether or not clips would be available.  It's just one that I've got to review in a few weeks, that's why I chose it.

Sorry bout that.  I'll try better next time.  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2005, 05:17:36 PM »

bdg: The Wedding - The Wedding - 3 stars
bloop: Anberlin - Never Take Friendship Personal - 4 stars
Danny: W0rmSiGn - Big in Japan - 3 stars
Josh: Vic Chesnutt - Ghetto Bells - 4 stars
Murlough: Over the Rhine - Drunkard's Prayer - 5 stars
 
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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2005, 05:22:56 PM »

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Hey guys, sorry, I didn't even think about whether or not clips would be available.  It's just one that I've got to review in a few weeks, that's why I chose it.

Sorry bout that.  I'll try better next time.  Smiley
It's OK. I didn't even consider that this would be an issue until you guys started picking stuff I'd never heard of that, in some cases, wasn't released yet. I forgot I was dealing with real critics here, who get stuff early.

Anyway, we'll make that a definite rule for the future, but don't feel bad for not being able to read my mind about it.

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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2005, 05:26:27 PM »

OMG!  I'm in the company of real critics?!!

Why don't we just make a link to some clips standard routine for everyone whenever we announce our next album?
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« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2005, 05:28:51 PM »

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Why don't we just make a link to some clips standard routine for everyone whenever we announce our next album?
Maybe, when you propose an album, you should check Amazon, AMG, etc. to see if it's going to be difficult to track down clips. If so, then yeah, providing clips should be standard. But if they've got clips at freaking Amazon then it's probably not going to be necessary...
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« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2005, 11:18:37 PM »

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OMG!  I'm in the company of real critics?!!

Why don't we just make a link to some clips standard routine for everyone whenever we announce our next album?

LOL.  Whenever people ask me why I get free music - I'm always like, "cause I review".

Then they stare at me blankly.

"YOU review music?" is generally the typical response.
 
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« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2005, 12:17:20 AM »

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Quiet, you.

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Why don't we just make a link to some clips standard routine for everyone whenever we announce our next album?

I like Josh's suggestion - provide a link with clips if they can't be found in the usual places (AMG, Amazon, CDUniverse, and I'd suggest Musichristian.com or Christianbook.com for CCM stuff).

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LOL. Whenever people ask me why I get free music - I'm always like, "cause I review".

Then they stare at me blankly.

"YOU review music?" is generally the typical response.

Yeah, I get that a lot too. Of course, I have other ways of getting music before it's released sometimes... but I wouldn't have the actual CD, cover art and all, in those cases.
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« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2005, 04:49:59 AM »

can I jump aboard even though I only want to see what would happen if I pick a random rating and apply it to everyone?

if so, my random choice is four stars from everyone.

if not, please pardon me and my huge soup mug of coffee.  
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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2005, 05:05:51 AM »

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Yeah, I get that a lot too. Of course, I have other ways of getting music before it's released sometimes... but I wouldn't have the actual CD, cover art and all, in those cases.

With soulseek and bittorrent, anyone can be a real critic now, I guess.
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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2005, 05:18:41 PM »

Hey David, when do we have to get our choices for albums for the next round in?
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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2005, 05:34:05 PM »

I'll make the rule about choosing albums for the next round that you have to PM them to me at any time during the previous round. This round is set to end Wednesday at Midnight Pacific time, so any time before then is fine.

We'll reserve Thursdays for posting our actual ratings, and you can all expect the scores to be updated mid-day Thursday (or evening at the latest), assuming of course that I get ratings for everyone in time.

If, for some reason, someone is unable to post their rating on Thursday, they can PM it to me on Wednesday, so long as I've already guessed at their rating for the album. For obvious reasons, I'd like to avoid doing this (I won't cheat and change my guess, but I'd rather rely on the honor system as little as possible here), but if it can't be avoided, arrangements can be made. I'm open to alternative suggestions if such a situation should arise. (Perhaps the rating can be given to someone else who has either already guessed or isn't playing, and they can post it by proxy on Thursday?)
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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2005, 05:35:00 PM »

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can I jump aboard even though I only want to see what would happen if I pick a random rating and apply it to everyone?

if so, my random choice is four stars from everyone.

if not, please pardon me and my huge soup mug of coffee.
Sure, you're welcome to gamble. It would be funny if you won, but seeing as you're a round behind everyone else, it's not as likely.
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« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2005, 11:45:45 PM »

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With soulseek and bittorrent, anyone can be a real critic now, I guess.
I think that how seriously some people in CCM take my site proves that truly anyone can be a "real critic". And I mean anyone, you don't even have to post reviews regularly or rate anything to please some people.

Are we allowed to do older albums? I'm thinking of doing a 2004 release next week.  
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« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2005, 12:53:38 AM »

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Sure. I might do some of those myself because I'm not going to get to a new 2005 album every single week.
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