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PaulDA
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« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2005, 01:44:22 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2005, 02:16:08 PM »

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People don't really choose their leaders. They choose what the government lets them choose. The political parties in this country are basically the same.
Basically the same?  Last time I checked, I was quite different than a liberal democrat.  

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They both have one agenda: keep big business flourishing and keep the middle and lower classes down and in check.
Businesses provide jobs, so I'm all for an economy that supports businesses.
And I don't see how the government is keeping the lower class down.  I do know that I have the freedom to persue education, get a degree, and work my way up the ladder.

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Our government talks a big talk about fighting crime, but actually they want the people to remain in a chaotic state, they don't want any chance of a rebellion or upheaval, so they pretend to fight crime when all they do is let the same violent offenders back on the streets time and again and don't do anything to rehabilitate them.

There are laws against the crimes you listed.  Police actively persue these criminals.  In that sense, I do think our government goes against these crimes.  I do agree that our prison system doesn't do enough to rehabilitate.  I'll agree with you on that until my dying day.  Well, at least until yours.  I mean, you're old.  It could be any day now.

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It is NOT a debatable theory that capitalism is fueled by greed and power. That is the main reason we are all over the world, for our corporations to take over economies and syphon off capital. Our politicians are right in bed with this, Republicans and Democrats.
I tend to be of the mindset that smooth trading with other countries results in better economies.  I'd like to think that due to the U.S.'s love of Sony, Toshiba, Honda, Toyota, etc. that Japan is a little better off than they were just after WWII.

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We are not free because we can vote. That is an illusion. The government owns us lock stock and barrel. The only true freedom will come when Jesus comes back.
I know that among my freedom's, one is to go to a different country if I don't like the U.S.

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That is the problem with arrogant America. They think God approves of our government over others, when ours has led to 1 million abortions a year and untold sexual immorality and crime!

I never said he did.  I simply stated that I think he approves of our government over some.

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You don't hear mass reports of them because it is suppressed. Just like during to original Gulf war when we destroyed the water system of Iraq and hundreds of thousands of people died of starvation and disease. That was suppressed also.
Another theory would be that democrats are making the numbers bigger than they are.

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I didn't say that. I said attacking the Iraqi government was not fighting terrorism. The terrorists are there now because we stuck our nose where it doesn't belong and they are trying to destroy us. If someone attacked my family in my house I would kill them also.
Which is odd since a lot of terrorist activity is coming from people like Zawquri(sp?) who was in Iraq guiding terrorist activities before the war.

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Again, I am not condoning Saddam's actions, but he only attacked people were he perceived were a threat to him.
And again, from what I've seen in the news, this isn't the case.  Thousands lived in fear of Saddam who weren't a threat at all.

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They are a dozen or more horrible dictatorships in the world at any one time.
And we go after the ones pointing guns.

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We don't free those people. It's none of our business. We can't even fix our own country. We the United States stops the 1 million baby abortion/ murders and stops the high rate of per capita murders of others, then they can think about going into the world and stopping other problems.
Just because one problem can't be fixed or hasn't been doesn't mean other problems should be ignored until they can be.  You don't wait for a scrape to heal before seeing a doctor for a broken leg.

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Much of that is their custom. We have no right to try and change people's way of living to our decadent Western civilization.
The beautiful thing about democracy is that they can choose to live their lives the same way if they want.
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« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2005, 03:06:30 PM »

We are never going to agree. Wink
I am just passing through this earth.
I follow the laws because I am a citizen here, but I am not really a resident of earth.
The Bible teaches that Heaven is our home.
I have no loyalty to this or any other country.
I was born here so I stayed here.
It's a sinful world wherever you live, so it makes no difference that I'm here instead of anywhere else.
In  fact, I don't think this country is any better than any other country.
 
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« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2005, 03:11:17 PM »

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It's a sinful world wherever you live, so it makes no difference that I'm here instead of anywhere else.
In fact, I don't think this country is any better than any other country.

So you would just as readily live in, say, Africa, where corrupt government regimes and massive ammounts of debt mean that you can't afford preventative medications to stop yourself from getting AIDS? Or in a Middle Eastern country, where your wife would essentially be nothing but property?

There's a totally bogus notion going around that no one culture is better than another, but that's just not true. American culture today is better than most other cultures on the planet, and that's pretty much that.
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« Reply #44 on: May 18, 2005, 04:05:35 PM »

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We are never going to agree. Wink
I think you're right.  Allow me to say you've become a bigger man (and not just in that way ol' man ::pats your stomach:Smiley than I remember you as.  In the CMC days, you would have gone until your final breath.  I'm glad to see that we can move past our differences.
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« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2005, 04:10:41 PM »

I bet that Saudi Arabia pays less for gas than we do.

Those of us who actually pause to think and read posts before they reply probably realize that when I and others say 'high gas prices,' we are speaking relative to gas prices we remember previously. I am aware that in Europe prices are 2-3 times what they are in the United States. I am also aware that prices here are almost two times higher than what they were two years ago. It's not an illusion, and it will continue to trend upwards.
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« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2005, 05:06:54 PM »

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Those of us who actually pause to think and read posts before they reply probably realize that when I and others say 'high gas prices,' we are speaking relative to gas prices we remember previously. I am aware that in Europe prices are 2-3 times what they are in the United States. I am also aware that prices here are almost two times higher than what they were two years ago. It's not an illusion, and it will continue to trend upwards.
I tend to agree until I look at the energy crisis during the 70's.  Gas was around the same price.  10 or so years later, gas is 99 cents a gallon.  
I'm hoping history repeats itself again.
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