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amalgamate
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« on: May 25, 2005, 12:04:31 AM »

hey phorum phriends

i just finished recording a new song and i'm looking for some feedback on it. Whatever you want to critique is fair game...be nice, i realize i'm not breaking any new ground with this, but i do feel that i'm progressing nicely when it comes to songwriting. Anyway, "Asleep at the Wheel" is the new tune. 21 is old, but if you want to listen to that too, i'm willing to take any advice even though it's already beyond the editing process. (and i'm convinced mae stole my chorus and put it into their song "someone else's arms" and just made it 10x better).

Thanks guys, here's the site www.myspace.com/mj

 
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2005, 08:55:20 AM »

sure, I'll be glad to tell you what i think. i've been writing songs for almost 10 years now and i can honestly say you're probably better at 21 than i was.

while the structure of the song "Asleep at the Wheel" is very well conceived, i'd remove a couple of the refrains. make your listener want to hear more, and give them only just enough. that's my philosophy anyway.

also, it does remind me of Dashboard. and that is totally cool. when i first started writing songs they all sounded like The Cure. but i didn't really begin to grow musically until i started trusting my muse- no matter where it led me-as opposed to only emulating my favorites. but we're all going to do that. i think it was Bono who said all good artists are thieves. you're on the right path. i even heard some shades of early Aaron Sprinkle in "Asleep at the Wheel."

you've got good skills dude, just trust your judgement and mix it up. and always remember this: if it doesn't move you, it won't move anybody else; and, (as Eddie Van Halen once said) if it sounds good to you, then on some level it is good; even if you're the only one who "gets" it.

and motivation is EVERYTHING. write because you want to, and because you need to. don't write for an "audience," unless that audience is God, or a really cute girl that you want to ask out. laugh don't write to get money or a pat on the back either; it must be in your blood because you're going to face a lot of rejection before things start to "pay off" in the respect department. so writing to "get respected" is bad motivation. write because you'd die inside if you didn't.

i think if you keep things up and hone your talent over the years you're going to write some really great stuff. i bet you're best songs are still waiting to be written, and trust me, that's a good thing.

keep up the good work!
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2005, 01:03:15 AM »

Tom, thanks a lot for the advice and words of encouragement.

I agree on the giving the listener more type of thing...although i do only have 3 refrains in the song, cutting it down to two wouldn't be bad if i had enough lyrically and musically otherwise to beef it up (which i don't as of yet...just keeping it pretty simple for now).

As far as influences and muses, I honestly don't really try to sound like anyone (although i definitely see the dashboard influence, and aaron sprinkle..i've heard of him but..hmm..). If a songwriter listens to good artists then I'm a firm believer that that will certainly show in his work without a blatant attempt to sound like anyone..which as an experienced songwriter, i'm sure you understand. I suppose my problem in this department is i don't have a TON of influences. I'm the kind of guy that's just starting to now broaden my horizons when it comes to musical taste. I have mostly my parents to blame for that, since all i ever listened to as a kid was kenny g and tapes of my older brother in his high school orchestra.  So, needless to say, i still have a lot of catching up to do.

I learned a while back that i really have to have my heart in this thing, or it's never going to be something i feel is worthwhile. Afterall, making bad music for the sake of an audience isn't a responsible thing to do as an artist. Even making 'good' music isn't the way to go if it's not what sounds good to you. You hit the nail on the head on that one...and i'm trying to keep things in perspective. I never try to force songs anymore, i just let the come...and sometimes they do more often than other times...but hey, that's just how it goes.

Well thanks again tom for the reply, i appreciate it.

 
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2006, 05:03:24 PM »

thought i would resurrect this post to let you pholks know that i just finished up my debut album. Not sure how much of it will appeal to anyone around here (it's basically acoustic pop) but i figured i could throw some songs up in the pub if y'all like any of the clips you can listen to here (www.myspace.com/mj). I'm not begging for hits or anything but i would appreciate anyone's thoughts or comments.

-mike
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2006, 05:06:53 PM »

I'd like to hear them, I remember enjoying songs you had on myspace a while ago.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2006, 09:41:24 AM »

hey. dude, i really like your new song. you ought to add Aaron Sprinkle/Fair to your list of "sounds similar to" because i got some good classic Sprinkle vibes from that song which is a very good thing IMO.

enjoyed it. keep up the good work, that sound works well for you.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2006, 10:05:39 AM »

thanks tom, i appreciate the advice.

and brenden, i'll try to pub a few songs when i get the chance. I'm a little slow with the whole ftp thing.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2006, 10:31:24 AM »

 Acoustic / Pop / Death Metal... uh, what? :D

I'm a sucker for the folksier acoustic pop type stuff.. so I liked it. I'd be interested in some pub songs Smiley

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2006, 11:24:40 AM »

thanks for checking it out josh. Pubbing the songs was easier than i thought, so i got three of them up there. Do with those what you will Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2006, 12:42:06 PM »

Alright, I'll plop those on my iPod and take a good listen. My computer speakers are pretty crappy, so I like being able to download them and listen to them with a decent pair of earbuds. (Currently using the v-moda bass freqs.. which are in-ears. Really nice.)

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