Soldiers messed with the Koran? So what!

[PaulDA]

*edit to clarify.....There was a report in Newseek a few days ago saying that our soldiers had abused the Koran. Newsweek has since retracted that story, but other stories of abuse are now surfacing. Here is one story of the alleged abuse about ten days ago:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/n...gion_koran_dc_1
I may not agree with the war, but now that we are there we have to do everything we can to win.
What in the world do our soldiers have to worry about walking gingerly around the Koran!?? That really pisses me off.
If we, as Christians, believe Islam is a false religion, then more power to them if they use the Koran to make these terrorists angry. Tear if up in front of them! Use psychology. Make them so angry that they commit mistakes.
.....This reminds me of the time a few months ago when there was some kind of beauty pageant over in that part of the world and the host joked "The girls are so beautiful even Mohammad would give in". Hundreds of thousands of Muslims rioted and many people died and were injured.
.....Another time we wouldn't go into a 'holy mosque' to capture a wanted terrorist. This is war! They should go anywhere they need to to capture these people.
.....These terrorists are fanatics. We have to stop trying to appease them by saying "most Muslims are decent people". That may be so, as far as being nice is concerned, but we have to speak up about Islam being a false religion. There is no reason  that American soldiers who are putting their life on the line have to worry about respecting the Koran.
If the Muslims destroyed some Bibles, we wouldn't get all bent out of shape like that.
It's ridiculous.

[Vlad!]

Did you hear the one about the guy who referenced a current event without a news link?

I will gladly join you in your indignace, but first I need to know what to be indignant about

[PaulDA]

Did you hear the one about the guy who referenced a current event without a news link?

I will gladly join you in your indignace, but first I need to know what to be indignant about

I figured this was so well known that everyone had heard of Newsweek first saying there was abuse and then retracting it. Also, other stories of abuse of the Koran are surfacing.
I edited my first post with an explanation and a link to one of the articles.

[Usadingo]

I think a little understanding about the Qu'ran is in order.  
The big deal is that Muslims view the Qu'ran as perfect and holy.  They believe it's creation in itself is a miracle.  Every word is holy.  To tear up the Qu'ran to a Muslim would be like tearing up Christ to Christians (ironic, I know).  
Muslims in some countries carry the Qu'ran around their necks so it's never below their waist (a sign of desicration).  They keep it on the highest shelf in their house.  They basically worship the book.  
For our soldiers to desicrate it in any way would cause uproar throughout the Muslim world- and we're not just talking terrorists in the Middle East.  The same thing goes for bursting into a Mosque.  
While yes, this is war- the Muslim world doesn't understand that.  
Personally though- if someone was hiding out in a Mosque, the key would be to surround it and let them sweat it out.  
Still though, the greatest war tactic I've heard of (from previous wars) against Muslim soldiers involved their belief that ingesting pork into your body will send you to hell.  Soldiers captured some Muslim soldiers, and then preceded with their little "show."  They stood in front of their cells, and one by one wiped their bullets in pig fat, and then loaded them into their guns.  Shortly after, they released the Muslim soldiers.  A few days later, the battles in that area were over.

[PaulDA]

I think a little understanding about the Qu'ran is in order. 
The big deal is that Muslims view the Qu'ran as perfect and holy.  They believe it's creation in itself is a miracle.  Every word is holy.  To tear up the Qu'ran to a Muslim would be like tearing up Christ to Christians (ironic, I know). 
Muslims in some countries carry the Qu'ran around their necks so it's never below their waist (a sign of desicration).  They keep it on the highest shelf in their house.  They basically worship the book. 
For our soldiers to desicrate it in any way would cause uproar throughout the Muslim world- and we're not just talking terrorists in the Middle East.  The same thing goes for bursting into a Mosque. 
 

Sorry if I'm not sympathetic....but who cares if they think that book is holy?
Let them go into an uproar.
The Koran is a false book, full of false lies.
The angrier they get the less likely they are to think rationally.

[Usadingo]

It could cause uproar in the U.S. among our own citizens though, Paul.  We're not just talking about the Middle East.  

[PaulDA]

It could cause uproar in the U.S. among our own citizens though, Paul.  We're not just talking about the Middle East.

We have to take that risk.
As far as I'm concerned, Islam is a false religion and every Muslim is suspect to an extent, because men, women, boys, girls are all capable of setting off a bomb.
That's reality.
It's like racial profiling. An abnormally large percentage of young black males commit a disproportionate amount of violent crimes in the NY area. So naturally the police are going to look at young black males with more suspician than other young males.
It's not racial. If young Italian males were doing most of the crime in any area, they would profile those young males.
Hey, it's not pleasant for the people who are decent citizens to be profiled, that that is the way the world works.
 

[Vlad!]

[Usadingo]

We have to take that risk.
As far as I'm concerned, Islam is a false religion and every Muslim is suspect to an extent, because men, women, boys, girls are all capable of setting off a bomb.
That's reality.
It's like racial profiling. An abnormally large percentage of young black males commit a disproportionate amount of violent crimes in the NY area. So naturally the police are going to look at young black males with more suspician than other young males.
It's not racial. If young Italian males were doing most of the crime in any area, they would profile those young males.
Hey, it's not pleasant for the people who are decent citizens to be profiled, that that is the way the world works.

I agree that Islam is a false religion.  But desecrating the Qu'ran serves no purpose.  There's a difference between profiling and doing something simply to cause chaos.  

[Rachel]

What in the world do our soldiers have to worry about walking gingerly around the Koran!?? That really pisses me off.
If we, as Christians, believe Islam is a false religion, then more power to them if they use the Koran to make these terrorists angry. Tear if up in front of them! Use psychology. Make them so angry that they commit mistakes.

Paul, 13 people died because of that article about the alleged desecration (I'm not even sure if it even happened). Why are you advocating more antagonism? I doubt that making these devout Muslims angrier will cause them to commit mistakes, rather it will be killings they commit.

Even though it is wartime, America should not jeopardize human dignity. To desecrate something the enemy holds so sacred is a pretty low and in my opinion a cowardly action.

From a Christian viewpoint: even though we believe Islam to be false where do you get the idea that it is right for Christians to desecrate the Koran? Does Jesus ever say "Those pagans are worshipping a lie--go make them angry, burn what they hold dear. That will teach them!"

[PaulDA]

What in the world do our soldiers have to worry about walking gingerly around the Koran!?? That really pisses me off.
If we, as Christians, believe Islam is a false religion, then more power to them if they use the Koran to make these terrorists angry. Tear if up in front of them! Use psychology. Make them so angry that they commit mistakes.

Paul, 13 people died because of that article about the alleged desecration (I'm not even sure if it even happened). Why are you advocating more antagonism? I doubt that making these devout Muslims angrier will cause them to commit mistakes, rather it will be killings they commit.

Even though it is wartime, America should not jeopardize human dignity. To desecrate something the enemy holds so sacred is a pretty low and in my opinion a cowardly action.

From a Christian viewpoint: even though we believe Islam to be false where do you get the idea that it is right for Christians to desecrate the Koran? Does Jesus ever say "Those pagans are worshipping a lie--go make them angry, burn what they hold dear. That will teach them!"

When Christians pretend that something is 'fine' when it is actually 'sinful', they are in effect being ashamed of Jesus. Jesus said if people are ashamed of Him He will be ashamed of them.
Christians have to stand up and tell the truth, no matter what the consequences.
If we can go to war and attack a country under false pretenses, we sure can say the Koran is false.
George Bush needs to stand up, go on national television and say:
"The Koran is a false book, Mohammad was a false prophet, Allah is not God and Islam is a false religion, spawned by Satan."
The fact that those people will riot over that proves they are in a Satanic false religion.

[Brenden]

As much as I think Islam is a false religion, it would be terribly rude to tear up a copy of the Koran and make it known you did. Not to mention it would turn of muslims to christianity, and we christians don't need to shoot ourselves in the foot anymore than we have.

[Aaron]

Nice to see you really care about trying to help these people Paul.  You basically made a ignorant, bigoted statement against all muslims.  Very uneducated.  How about you come up with a solution instead?  Oh yeah,  When did the U.S. become a Christian country?  Didn't think so.

[PaulDA]

Nice to see you really care about trying to help these people Paul.  You basically made a ignorant, bigoted statement against all muslims.  Very uneducated.  How about you come up with a solution instead?  Oh yeah,  When did the U.S. become a Christian country?  Didn't think so.

What ignorant bigoted statement did I make against all Muslims?
Islam is a false religion.
All Muslims believe in Islam.
Therefore ALL Muslims believe in a false God!
How is that bigoted and ignorant?
Is Islam a false religion or isn't it?
There will be no 'solution' until Jesus Christ comes back and destroys all the armies of the world of false religions who will attack Him when He comes.

[Brenden]

I decided not to start.

[PaulDA]

George Bush needs to stand up, go on national television and say:
"The Koran is a false book, Mohammad was a false prophet, Allah is not God and Islam is a false religion, spawned by Satan."
The fact that those people will riot over that proves they are in a Satanic false religion

I thought this was rude.

First of all, America would gain so many new enemies if Bush did that.

Second, christians riot over things too, your "proof" is flawed.

It is NOT rude!
It is telling the truth.
Name one thing Christians have rioted over similar to what Muslims have rioted over?

[Brenden]

George Bush needs to stand up, go on national television and say:
"The Koran is a false book, Mohammad was a false prophet, Allah is not God and Islam is a false religion, spawned by Satan."
The fact that those people will riot over that proves they are in a Satanic false religion

I thought this was rude.

First of all, America would gain so many new enemies if Bush did that.

Second, christians riot over things too, your "proof" is flawed.

It is NOT rude!
It is telling the truth.
Name one thing Christians have rioted over similar to what Muslims have rioted over?

Christians have been in an uproar over Harry Potter, The Last Tempation of Christ, abortion, gay marriage, other hot-button issues.

Moreover, when someone says something negative about christianity, the first thing that's fired back is outrage. It's only natural, if the president said "There is no God, the bible is a false book, christianity is false", I would be quite offended. Not only would it be rude and tactless, but it could be considered a breaking of the first amendment by saying christianity is inferior to other religions, or atheism.

[PaulDA]

You know, everyone is looking for the 'anti-Christ' as one person.
Did anyone ever stop and think that Islam as a whole may be the 'anti-Christ'?
It is Satan's 'mirror' of Christianity, and is as big or almost as big as Christianity.
Probably much bigger because most Muslims believe in Allah while many people who profess Christianity are not really true believers.
Islam is the biggest threat to Christians and we had all better wake up and realize this.
Satan is laughing up a storm because not only does he have those poor people deluded into believing in this false 'Allah', but he even has many of them killing themselves and others and therefore consigning them to hell.

[Brenden]

You know, everyone is looking for the 'anti-Christ' as one person.
Did anyone ever stop and think that Islam as a whole may be the 'anti-Christ'?
It is Satan's 'mirror' of Christianity, and is as big or almost as big as Christianity.
Probably much bigger because most Muslims believe in Allah while many people who profess Christianity are not really true believers.
Islam is the biggest threat to Christians and we had all better wake up and realize this.
Satan is laughing up a storm because not only does he have those poor people deluded into believing in this false 'Allah', but he even has many of them killing themselves and others and therefore consigning them to hell.

*sigh*

That's all for me folks.

[PaulDA]

Name one thing Christians have rioted over similar to what Muslims have rioted over?

Christians have been in an uproar over Harry Potter, The Last Tempation of Christ, abortion, gay marriage, other hot-button issues.

Moreover, when someone says something negative about christianity, the first thing that's fired back is outrage. It's only natural, if the president said "There is no God, the bible is a false book, christianity is false", I would be quite offended. Not only would it be rude and tactless, but it could be considered a breaking of the first amendment by saying christianity is inferior to other religions, or atheism.

Christians haven't rioted over Harry Potter, abortion or gay marriage and killed thousands of people!
Your comparisons are not valid.
Muslims riot and kill people over any negatiove comment, Christians just get angry, but no one is killed.

[PaulDA]

You know, everyone is looking for the 'anti-Christ' as one person.
Did anyone ever stop and think that Islam as a whole may be the 'anti-Christ'?
It is Satan's 'mirror' of Christianity, and is as big or almost as big as Christianity.
Probably much bigger because most Muslims believe in Allah while many people who profess Christianity are not really true believers.
Islam is the biggest threat to Christians and we had all better wake up and realize this.
Satan is laughing up a storm because not only does he have those poor people deluded into believing in this false 'Allah', but he even has many of them killing themselves and others and therefore consigning them to hell.

*sigh*

That's all for me folks.

Why do you say *sigh*? Do you believe Islam is a false religion or not?
And if it is, who do you think is behind all false religions? God?? Nooooooooo......

[Brenden]

Christians have been in an uproar over Harry Potter, The Last Tempation of Christ, abortion, gay marriage, other hot-button issues.

Moreover, when someone says something negative about christianity, the first thing that's fired back is outrage. It's only natural, if the president said "There is no God, the bible is a false book, christianity is false", I would be quite offended. Not only would it be rude and tactless, but it could be considered a breaking of the first amendment by saying christianity is inferior to other religions, or atheism.

Christians haven't rioted over Harry Potter, abortion or gay marriage and killed thousands of people!
Your comparisons are not valid.
Muslims riot and kill people over any negatiove comment, Christians just get angry, but no one is killed. [/quote]
 All muslims don't kill people, not all muslims even believe that the Koran teaches to kill. So that is a blakent statement.

[Brenden]

You know, everyone is looking for the 'anti-Christ' as one person.
Did anyone ever stop and think that Islam as a whole may be the 'anti-Christ'?
It is Satan's 'mirror' of Christianity, and is as big or almost as big as Christianity.
Probably much bigger because most Muslims believe in Allah while many people who profess Christianity are not really true believers.
Islam is the biggest threat to Christians and we had all better wake up and realize this.
Satan is laughing up a storm because not only does he have those poor people deluded into believing in this false 'Allah', but he even has many of them killing themselves and others and therefore consigning them to hell.

*sigh*

That's all for me folks.

Why do you say *sigh*? Do you believe Islam is a false religion or not?
And if it is, who do you think is behind all false religions? God?? Nooooooooo......

Yes, I believe Islam is a false religion, but no more false than buddhism or any other religion.

Instead of going on a rampage against it, let's engage muslims on the common beliefs first and go from there. After all, all religions contain some degree of truth, however small, though they may fall short where Christ is concerned.

[PaulDA]

Christians have been in an uproar over Harry Potter, The Last Tempation of Christ, abortion, gay marriage, other hot-button issues.

Moreover, when someone says something negative about christianity, the first thing that's fired back is outrage. It's only natural, if the president said "There is no God, the bible is a false book, christianity is false", I would be quite offended. Not only would it be rude and tactless, but it could be considered a breaking of the first amendment by saying christianity is inferior to other religions, or atheism.

Christians haven't rioted over Harry Potter, abortion or gay marriage and killed thousands of people!
Your comparisons are not valid.
Muslims riot and kill people over any negatiove comment, Christians just get angry, but no one is killed.

All muslims don't kill people, not all muslims even believe that the Koran teaches to kill. So that is a blakent statement. [/quote]
 I didn't say all Muslims kill people. I said that whenever they riot over some statement many people get killed.
It doesn't matter if they believe the Koran teaches to kill or not.
It does. The Koran is based on fear and hate. They are told to kill the infedels. They are told that if they kill these indefels they will go to Heaven with many virgins.
'Allah' is not a God of love, there is no love in the Koran.

[Brenden]

Christians have been in an uproar over Harry Potter, The Last Tempation of Christ, abortion, gay marriage, other hot-button issues.

Moreover, when someone says something negative about christianity, the first thing that's fired back is outrage. It's only natural, if the president said "There is no God, the bible is a false book, christianity is false", I would be quite offended. Not only would it be rude and tactless, but it could be considered a breaking of the first amendment by saying christianity is inferior to other religions, or atheism.

Christians haven't rioted over Harry Potter, abortion or gay marriage and killed thousands of people!
Your comparisons are not valid.
Muslims riot and kill people over any negatiove comment, Christians just get angry, but no one is killed.

All muslims don't kill people, not all muslims even believe that the Koran teaches to kill. So that is a blakent statement.

I didn't say all Muslims kill people. I said that whenever they riot over some statement many people get killed.
It doesn't matter if they believe the Koran teaches to kill or not.
It does. The Koran is based on fear and hate. They are told to kill the infedels. They are told that if they kill these indefels they will go to Heaven with many virgins.
'Allah' is not a God of love, there is no love in the Koran. [/quote]
 But there is love in the Bible, shouldn't we be showing it to muslims, rather than destroying their documents and turning them off to Christ even more?

[PaulDA]

Yes, I believe Islam is a false religion, but no more false than buddhism or any other religion.

Instead of going on a rampage against it, let's engage muslims on the common beliefs first and go from there. After all, all religions contain some degree of truth, however small, though they may fall short where Christ is concerned.

1. Buddism is not a threat to the world and to Christianity.
Islam is.
You don't see Buddists blowing up buldings with airplanes and blowing up cars every day.
The sad part about Buddism is that is seems to be a peaceful nice religion and when these poor folks die, they will end up in hell.

2. There is no real truth in any religion except for Christianity.
Without Jesus there is no truth.
All false religions are from Satan, and he is the master of half-truths and deceptions. He makes these religions look like they have some truth but it is all based on lies.

[Brenden]

Yes, I believe Islam is a false religion, but no more false than buddhism or any other religion.

Instead of going on a rampage against it, let's engage muslims on the common beliefs first and go from there. After all, all religions contain some degree of truth, however small, though they may fall short where Christ is concerned.

1. Buddism is not a threat to the world and to Christianity.
Islam is.
You don't see Buddists blowing up buldings with airplanes and blowing up cars every day. the sad part about Buddism is that is seems to be a peaceful nice religion and when these poor folks die, they will end up in hell.

I'm at the point of thinking all religions are a threat to the world... But that's another discussion entirely.

2. There is no real truth in any religion except for Christianity.
Without Jesus there is no truth.
All false religions are from Satan, and he is the master of half-truths and deceptions. He makes these religions look like they have some truth but it is all based on lies.

Islam believes in one God, so does christianity, islam believe Christ at least existed, so does christianity, islam believes in the OT (from what I understand), so does christianity. That's at least some truth in the religion.

[MJanke]

As a Christian, I would not do that to a copy of the book, no matter how false it is. For the simple fact that it'd be a huge stumbling block to Muslims considering Christ.

However, let's be realistic. Our government is not a Christian, nor is it even Christian. It's a secular body regulated by a secular document (the Constitution), charged with the command to preserve, protect, and defend that document and its country. Our government, in short, operates by different rules than we, Christ-followers, do.

It's the height of arrogance and hypocricy for the Muslim world to cheer terrorist bombings, murders, and beheadings - if not cheer, then in the least turn a blind eye towards - of Americans on one hand, and then rise up in anger and arms over prisoner abuses or a flushing of a copy of the Koran. I don't excuse, for example, prisoner abuses. America should operate by a higher standard, and those abuses shouldn't have happened. But let's be realistic - it's nowhere near the level of atrocity that cutting off an innocent civilian's head is, or bombing civilian targets is. Maybe if the Muslim world held itself to an even remotely humanitarian standard when it came to non-Islamic peoples and nations they'd deserve a little more sympathy when it came to their complaints.

And, as Paul points out, we're in a war. How quickly people forget what that means. You think that the military didn't do ten times more harsh things to prisoners during, say, World War II in order to exact information from them - stuff way worse than flushing a holy book? Terrorists are not covered by the Geneva Convention. They are also terrorists. Their goal is to terrorize us - even kill us.

The US military, then, is in an almost impossible position. One one hand they're criticized harshly by all for stuff like this Koran incident. But it's their job to exract information from prisoners! Imagine if another 9/11 type attack happened next week. Imagine further if one of the prisoners we had in our custody had infomration about that attack. But we didn't get the information from him, because he was being treated with kid gloves, thus, we were not able to stop the attack. Do you know how quickly the press would crucify President Bush and the military for allowing the attack to happen? The same press that criticizes over prisoner treatment would turn on him in an instant if such an attack happened again and a prisoner in our custody ended up having information that could've stopped the attack.

If the flushing of a Koran and further harsh treatment of a captured terrorist resulted in the capture of Osama and the foiling of another planned 9/11-level attack, you can be sure that history would end up looking favorably upon our current leadership for doing what it takes to protect America, and the world.

It is hypocritical for the Muslim world to tolerate the murders and abuses that Islamic terrorists perpetrate against the West. However, I do agree that the US should still live by a higher standard. But, even so, sometimes wartime demands the government has to take extraordinary action to protect its citizens. It's naive to sit here and believe otherwise. The government should do anything and everything in its power, that is allowed by the Constitution, to protect America - sometimes that means unpleasant duties, or even black ops that the public is better off not knowing about (but that's what we have congressional oversight for).  The one time in our history when we did not do that, and half-heartedly engaged in warfare, we ended up in a quagmire (Vietnam). That should never happen again.

[MJanke]

Islam believes in one God, so does christianity, islam believe Christ at least existed, so does christianity, islam believes in the OT (from what I understand), so does christianity. That's at least some truth in the religion.

Islam does not believe in the Old Testament. They find their roots in Abraham, so you could say that they find some of the OT historic and true, but the whole of the OT does not line up or agree with Islam or the Koran.

Believing in one god doesn't mean anything if that god is a false one. I could believe in one god - and that one god happens to be Joe Montana - and how correct and respectable would that belief be? The god of Islam is not the God of the Bible; it is not God in three persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

[bloop]

Islam does not believe in the Old Testament. They find their roots in Abraham, so you could say that they find some of the OT historic and true, but the whole of the OT does not line up or agree with Islam or the Koran.

Believing in one god doesn't mean anything if that god is a false one. I could believe in one god - and that one god happens to be Joe Montana - and how correct and respectable would that belief be? The god of Islam is not the God of the Bible; it is not God in three persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Well, the Jewish people had and continue to have a monotheistic religion similar to Islam (in terms of many of the characteristics of that one God as well as the fact that there is only one in the strictest sense).  The trinitarian doctrine is a bit of a mystery and, because I can't say jews don't believe in the same God because they don't all buy a trinitarian God, I can't say that muslims do not, given the similarities.  

Incomplete doctrine alone is not enough to show what you're getting at here.  The best arguements can be made by contrast of the character of God, not the trinitarian nature mystery.

[Vlad!]

[Brenden]

Islam does not believe in the Old Testament. They find their roots in Abraham, so you could say that they find some of the OT historic and true, but the whole of the OT does not line up or agree with Islam or the Koran.

Having not read the Koran, I wouldn't know myself, I have to look into reading it.

Believing in one god doesn't mean anything if that god is a false one.

But it is a start, if we can agree that there is one God, we can go from there to showing Christ as the true God.

[PaulDA]

This war has me so frustrated. There is no end in sight, casualties are mounting, people are being blown up daily and we're worried about handling a book incorrectly!
I understand what everyone is saying here, but this war makes me very depressed and down. I don't think we should be there, but we ARE there and our peoiple are getting killed every day, more and more and more.
We don't even hear about the wounded GIs, some horribly maimed for life, that must be 10 times the amount of deaths. Not to mention the untold Iraqi civilians who have been killed and injured. Also the Iraqi soldiers who are being killed and maimed, and yes, the terrorists being killed and maimed too. I pity them almost more than anyone else because they are so brain washed into this 'kill the indefel' thing by Satan, and they are destined for destruction in the lake of Fire when they blow themselves and others up.
The whole thing is very sad to me.

[dgp11776]

The one thing I will say is this:  I can't believe the dumbass U.S. media is printing these stories!!!!  Don't they know how much more difficult it will make it for soldiers over there?

[PaulDA]

The one thing I will say is this:  I can't believe the dumbass U.S. media is printing these stories!!!!  Don't they know how much more difficult it will make it for soldiers over there?

The media is obligated to print any and all news.
That is their job. I f they started censroing things, there is no telling where it would end.
The days of looking the other way, as when President Kennedy was fooling around with Marilyn Monroe, with a Russian spy and other women, are over.

[dgp11776]

The media is obligated to print any and all news.
That is their job.

Eh, I'm not so sure.  So, if Time or Newsweek discovers the locations and codes for launching all of the nuclear weapons in the U.S. aresenal, they should print that, too?

Rhetorical question, by the way...I'm done here.

[poetrychick]

Did you hear the one about the guy who referenced a current event without a news link?

I will gladly join you in your indignace, but first I need to know what to be indignant about

I figured this was so well known that everyone had heard of Newsweek first saying there was abuse and then retracting it. Also, other stories of abuse of the Koran are surfacing.
I edited my first post with an explanation and a link to one of the articles.

Somewhere, the angels of heaven are slamming their heads against their desk "Here he goes again...."

Why can't you understand? It is our job as Christians and humans to show love to people (well part of it anyways) The bottom line is, it doesn't matter if Islam is a false religion. I don't care if every Muslim out there wants to kill us. Which is frankly what you seem to think. Because they are devoted to their religion just as much as we are our own. They love it and hold it dear as we do. the rioting is not the right thing to do. But you have to understand many Muslims in the middle east have grown up with nothing but violence. They don't know how to respond to things otherwise. Please, show some respect. And please, if you insist on calling Muslims violent or evil, at least do your bloody research!

[Guest]

The one thing I will say is this:  I can't believe the dumbass U.S. media is printing these stories!!!!  Don't they know how much more difficult it will make it for soldiers over there?

Of course, it doesn't matter what idiotic or inhumane thing we do - it's the fault of the people who catch us!

[PaulDA]

Did you hear the one about the guy who referenced a current event without a news link?

I will gladly join you in your indignace, but first I need to know what to be indignant about

I figured this was so well known that everyone had heard of Newsweek first saying there was abuse and then retracting it. Also, other stories of abuse of the Koran are surfacing.
I edited my first post with an explanation and a link to one of the articles.

Somewhere, the angels of heaven are slamming their heads against their desk "Here he goes again...."

Why can't you understand? It is our job as Christians and humans to show love to people (well part of it anyways) The bottom line is, it doesn't matter if Islam is a false religion. I don't care if every Muslim out there wants to kill us. Which is frankly what you seem to think. Because they are devoted to their religion just as much as we are our own. They love it and hold it dear as we do. the rioting is not the right thing to do. But you have to understand many Muslims in the middle east have grown up with nothing but violence. They don't know how to respond to things otherwise. Please, show some respect. And please, if you insist on calling Muslims violent or evil, at least do your bloody research!

I have a right to my opinion.
And my opinion is that ALL religions, except the God  of the Old and new testaments are FALSE religions and belong to Satan.
Satan is the father of lies.
Satan is the god of all false religions whether they believe it or not.
Even Jews who disavow Jesus belong to Satan.
Anyone who denies the deity and messiahship of Jesus is bound for Hell.
The Muslim RELIGION, whether 1%, 5%, 10% or however many Muslims are violent, has one goal: To destroy ALL the infidels, and to them Christians are the worse infidels of all.
In many Muslim countrys people are put to DEATH for converting to Christianity.
Islam (backed by Satan) is the biggest threat to Christianity on earth.

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Paul, Unless you've read the Koran, you don't know the one goal of Islam.  All you're doing is spewing back the hate many people spew at Christians.  It's all ignorance on your part and your refusal to care about anything that you don't believe in.  I may disagree with Islam but to say all the hateful, moronic things you've said in this thread would be immature of me.  Wonder why people are turned off by Christianity?  It's because of uncaring remarks and behaviors