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Here they are: The Ten Most Harmful Books of the 19th and 20th Centuries. Some are no-brainers, while a couple are ones that I'd never even heard of. FWIW, I haven't read any of them all the way through, though I've read parts of Das Kapital and The Population Bomb.
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2005, 04:54:29 PM » |
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interesting...
I've read bits of several of them in English or Philsophy classes. Beyond Good and Evil might be in a collection of Nietzsche's works that I have but I don't know if I've read it.
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2005, 04:58:12 PM » |
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Never read any of any of them, interesting article.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2005, 05:13:35 PM » |
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That is very interesting. I haven't read any all of any of them either, and was only familiar with six or seven of them. There was a question on the A.P. History exam last month about Democracy and Education, and that was the first I had heard of it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2005, 05:16:12 PM » |
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Hmmm.....I don't think I agree with some of these choices. We studied some of these books in history and I am not convinced that they had such a harmful effect.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2005, 08:50:25 PM » |
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Hmmm.....I don't think I agree with some of these choices. We studied some of these books in history and I am not convinced that they had such a harmful effect. Such as? |
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2005, 09:27:16 PM » |
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It seems more like a list of books that Conservatives hate than a list of the most harmful books.
For instance. What the heck is wrong with Silent Spring? People were mindlessly polluting the earth, so someone wrote a book about it.
(Exactly, what do they mean by harmful anyway?)
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2005, 09:31:04 PM » |
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It seems more like a list of books that Conservatives hate than a list of the most harmful books. I just noticed after reading the list that the panel was made up of "conservative" scholars, and knowing that definitely explains a couple of the choices. I agree they should've clearly defined what they meant by "harmful" in the introduction. Although, it would've been fairly pointless for people like me who read the list and then the introduction hours later. |
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2005, 10:15:02 PM » |
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It seems more like a list of books that Conservatives hate than a list of the most harmful books.
For instance. What the heck is wrong with Silent Spring? People were mindlessly polluting the earth, so someone wrote a book about it.
(Exactly, what do they mean by harmful anyway?) Yeah, it's clearly a biased list. I've never read Silent Spring, but, based on what I know about it, I agree that it seems an odd choice. (Though perhaps its placement is due more to people's reaction to the book, not from the actual text itself.) At any rate, as far as environmentalist books go, The Population Bomb IS entirely deserving of a place on the list. |
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2005, 10:19:50 PM » |
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Never read the Population Bomb myself. It sounds suspect (the book I mean), though...
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2005, 10:22:53 PM » |
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Never read the Population Bomb myself. It sounds suspect (the book I mean), though... Among many other things, the author claimed that, due to overpopulation, the human race would be extinct by the year 2000.  |
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2005, 12:28:12 AM » |
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Second Sex
by Simone de Beauvoir [ I own that book...but haven't read it yet. feminist Existentialist. It only got honorable mention.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2005, 02:26:08 AM » |
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Among many other things, the author claimed that, due to overpopulation, the human race would be extinct by the year 2000. How would overpopulation result in extinction? That doesn't even make sense. |
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2005, 04:55:01 AM » |
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I'm not even sure I agree with the concept of such a list. One should read any given book at arm's length, consider it's claims carefully and logically, and then choose to embrace it or throw it in the crap pile. If a person does this, what harm may be derived from any piece of literature?
The only one here I could see as harmful, really, is the Kinsey Report, and only from a different point-of-view (for the children that were molested for the book to be written, not the reader. Again, read with the above paragraph and mind and realize that the science of that particular book is dubious anyway).
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2005, 06:18:28 AM » |
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Any list of harmful books that doesn't include the novelization of The Omega Code may not be very accurate.
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2005, 07:14:02 AM » |
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2005, 08:41:15 AM » |
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Yeah, Vlad! has an excellent point. Books don't kill people. People kill people.
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2005, 01:01:10 AM » |
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Another group of nutty conservatives going on a censorship tirade. Literature is harmful? Grow up.
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2005, 03:12:56 AM » |
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As pholks here (especially bloop...good points, man) have pointed out, this list is clearly biased and perhaps as 'harmful' as any of the books on it! Hmm... don't know that I agree with that. It's easy to say that books don't kill, people do, but people tend to act based upon ideas that they have in their mind, and books are a huge influence on shaping attitudes and mindsets. How can we deny the effects that Marx's writings had on the world, through Lenin and Stalin? Hitler's Mein Kampf continues to influence Nazi/skinhead groups to this day. And Hitler himself was radically effected by the God-less philosophies of Nietzsche. Etc, etc. Books may not kill people, but they wield great influence on the course of history, both for good and for bad. As Christians, we of all people should recognize this, since we hold up the Bible as the life-changing Word of God. There is power in its words and its message. Any book worth its salt will have some sort of effect on its reader. |
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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2005, 07:59:27 AM » |
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2005, 08:42:57 AM » |
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Another group of nutty conservatives going on a censorship tirade. Literature is harmful? Grow up. Based on your latest posts, you have a real problem with some people that have hurt you. This is going to sound harsh, but can you do me a favor? Go to them instead of posting a bunch of incendiary stuff on here that lumps me in with them. Angering a bunch of people on a message board is not going to solve any problems that you have between yourselves and others. Face it head-on and talk to them. In all honesty, I'm getting tired of reading your venom-laced posts. |
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« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2005, 08:54:42 AM » |
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since we hold up the Bible as the life-changing Word of God Actually, I read the books of the Bible in much the same way as I read anything else, but with more consideration given their influence. I don't even go in with the assumption that those books are true, much less a piece of trash like "Mein Kampf". Go to them instead of posting a bunch of incendiary stuff on here that lumps me in with them. While I agree with what you wrote, I can't help but ask where you were mentioned in his post. The post of the thread is probably still afroboy's initial reaction on the first page. It's succinct, but it says it all. |
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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2005, 09:03:42 AM » |
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While I agree with what you wrote, I can't help but ask where you were mentioned in his post. Maybe I'm reading his recent posts wrong, but I'm feeling a general disdain for Christians and conservatives, as if all are problematic. Being a conservative Christian myself, I don't like being lumped with the bad eggs. |
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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2005, 09:05:49 AM » |
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I think a general disdain is likely, but only implied at best. From that post, I can't say that he thinks of all conservative Christians in that way.
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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2005, 08:38:49 PM » |
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Maybe I'm reading his recent posts wrong, but I'm feeling a general disdain for Christians and conservatives, as if all are problematic. Being a conservative Christian myself, I don't like being lumped with the bad eggs. Given what I've been put through by conservative Christian types, I don't think I'm very angry about it at all. Don't worry about being lumped in - I'm grateful that there are more moderate conservatives in Christian groups, but the nutcases really are a problem. Trying to rip apart nearly everything I believe in isn't something I take lightly. I have a right to complain. Hey, speaking of harmful nutcases, why don't I make a similar list to this one mentioning pro-Bush stuff? Admit it, a good parody of this list could be entertaining. |
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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2005, 12:08:19 AM » |
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I've been using evidence from Keynes all year... basically him dissing laissez faire. Which, in my opinion, deserves dissing. Keynes was an intelligent man who drew some correct conclusions... and some incorrect conclusions. If you take his stuff with a grain of salt, it's pretty cool, and you'll definitely learn something.
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-ruth ann
it's like God himself is coming home to say:
"I, I can do anything, if you want me here.
and I can fix anything, if you'll let me near.
where are those secrets now (that you're just scared to tell)?
I'll whisper them all aloud so you can hear yourself."
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