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RedcoatJones
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« on: July 30, 2005, 11:20:17 PM »

I posted this on my blog, and then thought it might make for some good discussion here.

The Washington Post's story, "No Place for Me" presents a disheartening look at why the black church is losing touch with men (from the perspective of a black, God-loving man). Sadly, the points he makes could apply to all churches, and the lack of men in worship is not something limited to the black community.

His troubles with the church are mainly materialism and lack of connection with the community.

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The church's finger seems farthest from the pulse of those black men who seem to be most lost and drifting in a destructive sea of fatalism and pathology, with no immediate sign of the shore or of search and rescue crews. Without the church, most of those men are doomed. But it seems clear to me that the church does not -- will not -- seek us black men out, or perhaps even mourn our disappearance from the pews.

Instead, it seems to have turned inward. It seems to exist for the perpetuation of itself -- for the erecting of grandiose temples of brick and mortar and for the care of pastors and the salaried administrative staff. ...

I wonder why, despite billions of dollars taken from collection plates -- much of it from the poor -- in my own denomination, I see few homes for the elderly, few recreation centers, little to no church-financed housing development and few viable church-operated businesses that might employ members or generate some tangible measure of return on years of investment. I scratch my head at the multimillion-dollar edifice a local church recently erected and wonder if that is the most responsible stewardship for a church in a community filled with poor families. ...

But even in an age of preacher as celebrity, it is not the evolution of a Bling Bling Gospel that most disheartens me. It is the loss of the church's heart and soul: the mission to seek and to save lost souls through the power of the Gospel and a risen savior. As the homicide toll in black neighborhoods has swelled, I've wondered why churches or pastors have seldom taken a stand or ventured beyond the doors of their sanctuaries to bring healing and hope to the community -- whether to stem the tide of violence and drugs, or to help cure poverty and homelessness or any number of issues that envelop ailing black communities.

I agree with his criticism of churches that are more focused on inward things than in reaching out to to a lost world, but my question to the phorum is: Do you see this disconnect with men and the church (any level - not just the african american church)? Why (or why not)? Curious, because I haven't seen that disconnect growing up. My Dad, uncles, brothers, etc. all attend church. But I wonder if the issues raised by the author reach farther than the black church.

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2005, 11:53:27 PM »

In my 36 years in the church, I have only been in one that is relevant to women, most I see are actually catered to men...so I think that if the church is loosing men too, they are just loosing everyone!
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2005, 04:41:28 PM »

The thing is . . . we have to help make the change.  That article showed me a church that is troubled--all earthly churches are--but also a guy who didn't seem to be trying to fix the things he complained about.  If something isn't moving in the right direction, then take some responsibility and make the change--only, of course, if it's scripturally grounded.
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2005, 06:12:06 PM »

The reason black men or any other men or whoever are not in touch with churches is not the fault of the churches, but of the people themselves.
Jesus said "let him who has ears hear."
The church isn't there to make people feel good or to cater to people. It is there to praise and worship Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2005, 07:04:12 PM »

Some good thoughts, Paul; if a church is preaching the Gospel then they cannot possibly be irrelevant.
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2005, 07:08:38 PM »

Agreed. I hate this whole buzzword thing of "relevance." We gather on Sundays to worship Christ; what we do then is to please and honor Him. Who cares if it's "relevant" to everyone and their dog?
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2005, 08:08:40 PM »

My parents semi-recently (last fall) moved to a new church. Whenever I come home I look forward to attending this church because I feel that it's a place that is dedicated to loving God and showing God's love to man, and to not accepting sin while realizing that we are all in need of grace. I don't feel like this church is especially 'relevant' to me as a man, or a college student, or a caucasian, or whatever demographic I fall into; I like this church because it's focused on Christ. Conversely, for a semester I attended a Baptist church in Blacksburg and really didn't like it; none of the people made an effort to get to know me, the worship seemed formulaic, and the sermons were from the Word but seemed to be founded more on the pastor's desire to keep us entertained rather than a love and fear of the living God. Even though this church had programs and special groups focused on college students, I felt fairly well disconnected, and I suspect I would feel that way if I were female or black or whatever.

Like Paul said and others agreed with, I don't see how a Christ-centered church could fail to be relevant. I also don't see how a church that has lost its bearings and is no longer even acting as the bride of Christ but is just going through the motions could possibly be relevant to anybody.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2005, 08:16:13 PM »

Any church that honestly seeks God and preaches the truth is going to be relevant to me.

However, if a church discourages honest discussions and questions, reduces God to a formula, and the pastor preaches his own agenda in a "I'm right, you're wrong" kind of way, it will never cease to be irrelevant to an honest seeker.
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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2005, 10:49:54 AM »

Great thoughts, and something many of you said spurred a thought. In reading the article, I got the feeling the author was lamenting a lack of Christ-centeredness (even if he didn't use those words).

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Like Paul said and others agreed with, I don't see how a Christ-centered church could fail to be relevant. I also don't see how a church that has lost its bearings and is no longer even acting as the bride of Christ but is just going through the motions could possibly be relevant to anybody.


How true. maybe the issue isn't, "is the church losing touch with [insert demographic group here], but have some churches lost their touch with Christ?" And if so, what is our responsibility to incite change? Most of us probably live in areas where we have many churches to choose from. If we don't think one is focused enough on Christ (as we see it, anyway), we can go down the street to another one. Yet at what point do we stay and try to bring Christ back into that church? My guess, is that answer will depend on each situation and only come with lots of prayer.
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2005, 05:52:48 AM »

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Some good thoughts, Paul; if a church is preaching the Gospel then they cannot possibly be irrelevant.
Yes, if the church is preaching the Gospel.
I imagine some churches may not be preaching the Gospel and are just like country clubs. Then I could understand people having no direction and no committment.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2005, 06:24:45 AM »

Let me add a caveat to my comments above.
We have to be careful when we want everything to be perfect before we give our energy to worship Jesus. In other words, human beings are quick to make excuses for not doing anything. Worshipping Jesus is no exception.
No church is anywhere near perfect. All churches have problems and all have things done incorrectly. So, even if a church is not preaching the gospel anywhere as strong as it should, I don't think that gives men or women the right to use that as an excuse and not do right by Jesus.
We should be able to worship Jesus even if we are in the worst situations imaginable, let alone just being in a church that is a bit weak spiritually.
I've read stories, for instance, of black slaves in this country 300 years ago worshipping Jesus Christ even though they were beaten with whips and had no freedom. If those people, in their dire circumstances, could find hope in Jesus Christ in their predicaments, then there is no escuse for any black men today, or anyone else, for not worshipping Jesus Christ when they have the knowledge to do so.
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