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« on: August 10, 2003, 01:10:06 PM » |
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...and this review will show you why. |
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2003, 09:55:21 PM » |
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Yes. If I kept count of cool points, David would go up for that one. It's very well-written actually.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2003, 09:57:48 PM » |
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You know that David's Epinions reviews lead me to this site. He will always have a special place in my heart for that very reason *sniff*. =D
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Fun facts about Chuck Norris:
Newton's Third Law is wrong: Although it states that for each action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, there is no force equal in reaction to a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick.
Chuck Norris can divide by zero.
Chuck Norris CAN believe it's not butter.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2003, 10:32:54 PM » |
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You know that David's Epinions reviews lead me to this site. He will always have a special place in my heart for that very reason *sniff*. =D And that led to DvChWi getting me here, so I guess he's special to me, too. =D |
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\"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the former.\" - Albert Einstein
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2003, 02:47:22 PM » |
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So, have you all read this thread?  |
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2003, 02:58:02 PM » |
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That shows you why I've more or less abandoned that forum. I try to respect everyone's opinion, but that kind of thinking is just deplorable.
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2003, 05:59:12 PM » |
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That, and the fact that they won't let me have an Over the Rhine avatar... at least, they ignored me when I tried to submit one.
NP: "Love Me for Me", ZoeGirl
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« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2003, 08:10:33 PM » |
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They must die.
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« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2003, 10:03:21 PM » |
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« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2003, 11:39:52 PM » |
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Yes! Now I have my credibility as a reviewer back... of course, until you post my Big Dismal review.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2003, 08:30:17 AM » |
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Some of those guys make the Downhere boards look like works of Shakespeare. Man, I'm starting to wonder if people like that all share one brain which was tragically lost several years ago in a boating accident.
A Christian alternative to Creed, huh...and I remember when some people were considering Creed a Christian alternative to Pearl Jam.
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2003, 09:21:01 AM » |
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A Christian alternative to Creed, huh...and I remember when some people were considering Creed a Christian alternative to Pearl Jam. Yes, but this plan was aborted when it was revealed that certain members of Creed were sinners.  |
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2003, 01:20:00 PM » |
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Again I reiterate... why do we need a Christian version of any band? How about we just have good bands and be done with it?
I know, I know, I'm preaching to the choir.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2003, 02:05:26 PM » |
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I love Bloop's sig picture over at the CMC forum. He should ditch the piercing thing and put that there instead.
And yes, I agree that we don't need Christian versions of bands. But for some reason, any original bands in the Christian market ever seem to catch on. I blame marketing. :angry:
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Fun facts about Chuck Norris:
Newton's Third Law is wrong: Although it states that for each action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, there is no force equal in reaction to a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick.
Chuck Norris can divide by zero.
Chuck Norris CAN believe it's not butter.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2003, 04:17:52 PM » |
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Again I reiterate... why do we need a Christian version of any band? How about we just have good bands and be done with it?
I know, I know, I'm preaching to the choir. Maybe it has to do with the human desire to put labels on everything...saying "Christian version of so-and-so" might just mention that their sounds are similar. But I certainly disagree with the dualistic Christian versions of secular marketing fads that we bust out all too often. |
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2003, 05:09:42 PM » |
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Maybe it has to do with the human desire to put labels on everything...saying "Christian version of so-and-so" might just mention that their sounds are similar. But I certainly disagree with the dualistic Christian versions of secular marketing fads that we bust out all too often. I can totally agree with the need to put musical reference points on an album when reviewing or advertising it. The problem is that most often it's overdone. Sure, I think it's great that there are committed Christians making music in pretty much every genre, and I would hope that they do it with enough craftmanship that it wouldn't just be Christian kids listening to them as an "alternative" to the evil mainstream band that they sounded like. "Dualistic" is a good word for what I don't like about the way much of modern Christianity operates. It seems like we spend most of our time following the world's cues... "Hey, look, we're cool, we can do that too!" We've got to grow out of that if people are going to view Christians in the arts as anything other than a parody of mainstream artists. This spills over into things like T-shirts and bumper stickers... the things we seem to reply on to let people know we're Christians. I mean, I would expect "Got Jesus?" and other snarky bastardizations of well-known advertising slogans to get a smirk out of fellow Christians if forwarded in an Email, but I certainly don't expect it to convince souls of their need for salvation. NP: "Sing to the King", Candi Pearson (live from OneDay '03) |
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2003, 05:41:16 PM » |
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Although I agree with David's assessment of Kutless and can understand his frustration.....the only thing that I find that bugs me is his "attitude". I like to think I have an open mind, but I still find myself trying to justify what appears on the surface. Do you guys think there's another way to get our message across other than appearing like jerks? (My qualm is in regards to being more effective.) latinchic  P.S. Thanks for my new sig. David! lol. |
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"Mercy's eyes are blue....and when she places them in front of you.....nothing holds a roman candle to....the solemn warmth you feel. There's no measuring of it as nothing else is love." -The Shins
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2003, 07:43:30 PM » |
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I thought David's attitude in the review was fine. He wasn't cutting (kutting) the band down just because he's a cruel music Nazi. He gave some pointers on how the band could improve their art (if you can even call it that at this point). It was constructive, not mean-spirited.
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2003, 07:56:20 PM » |
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Although I agree with David's assessment of Kutless and can understand his frustration.....the only thing that I find that bugs me is his "attitude". I like to think I have an open mind, but I still find myself trying to justify what appears on the surface. Do you guys think there's another way to get our message across other than appearing like jerks? (My qualm is in regards to being more effective.) latinchic P.S. Thanks for my new sig. David! lol. The "attitude" comes from two things: 1) My overall frustration with cheap imitations in the CCM industry that I'm told should be above my reproach because of their wonderful "ministry". 2) My inherent need to be a comedian. Basically, I call 'em as I see 'em, and while I try to be very careful not to insult people, I will make it clear when the intentions of releasing such a product into the market to begin with look fishy to me. I think a lot of people get upset with me for those views because they haven't had their eye on the CCM industry long enough to realize it's not all it's cracked up to be. I was pretty idealistic about it myself when I was a teenager - surely nobody who was a Christian was capable of acting like those evil money-grubbing mainstream record executives! NP: "No One Like You", David Crowder Band |
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2003, 07:59:25 PM » |
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2) My inherent need to be a comedian.
Basically, I call 'em as I see 'em, and while I try to be very careful not to insult people, I will make it clear when the intentions of releasing such a product into the market to begin with look fishy to me. Fair enough. Is it effective? latinchic B) |
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"Mercy's eyes are blue....and when she places them in front of you.....nothing holds a roman candle to....the solemn warmth you feel. There's no measuring of it as nothing else is love." -The Shins
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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2003, 09:32:24 PM » |
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And now, an interesting little twist on things... |
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2003, 12:53:12 AM » |
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Fair enough. Is it effective?
latinchic B) It's effective in expressing my point of view (and in making some people laugh). That's really all I can hope to do. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2003, 08:09:51 AM » |
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1) My overall frustration with cheap imitations in the CCM industry that I'm told should be above my reproach because of their wonderful "ministry". Yes, this annoys me greatly. |
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2003, 01:05:44 AM » |
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"Mercy's eyes are blue....and when she places them in front of you.....nothing holds a roman candle to....the solemn warmth you feel. There's no measuring of it as nothing else is love." -The Shins
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2003, 01:30:19 AM » |
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I write reviews for a few different reasons:
1) It's fun.
2) It challenges me to listen more closely to music - even music that I love dearly can turn out to be flawed, and music I haven't really given a chance can surprise me when analyzed more closely.
3) When I really, really like a lesser known artist, I want as many people as possible to know about it.
4) I enjoy debating the meanings of an artist's more cryptic songs with others who are familiar with the artist.
5) While I realize people have different musical tastes, there are times when I do feel that something is so downright awful that I want to do a public service by cautioning others to listen before they buy. (This also goes for albums I like that take a bit of patience to appreciate.)
6) Occasionally the artist stumbles across my review and interesting dialogue ensues.
How's that?
NP: "Revolution Cry", Blyss (a.k.a. Lifehouse)
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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2003, 09:11:49 AM » |
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I do it because Josh says nice things about me in the newspost when he uploads my review...
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2003, 02:11:29 PM » |
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I write reviews...
- For myself. It helps me sort out my thoughts on music and film.
- To exhort myself to excellence.
- To exhort others to excellence, both in how art making and art appreciation.
- To make people think about art.
- To reveal that truth can be found anywhere.
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