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« on: August 13, 2003, 10:17:09 AM »

Mark and I saw the extended version of the Fellowship of the Ring yesterday. I thought it was an interesting experience, because I was watching the same movie I've seen five or six times now, and yet there was something different about it. I'm glad that some parts didn't make it into the theatrical release, but others I think would really have improved things. In-depth discussion follows:

I've been a Tolkien fan since I was about six, so I don't have a good grasp on what the casual fan or completely ignorant viewer would and would not understand. So I can't judge what parts are good for boosting an understanding of the movie's events, but there were some parts that certainly fleshed out scenes that were quite weak in the original version. But let's start from the beginning:

The expanded intro was pretty spiffy. Few things were added, but watching Jackson's interpretation of the Battle of Gladded fields played out in greater detail was definitely worthwhile. Verdict: should have been included.

The 'concerning hobbits' preface was good in that it provided a comprehensive explanation about the Hobbit race overall, but I don't think it really improved the enjoyment of the film any. I think it ended up just getting in the way without adding anything other than background. Verdict: it was well to have been left out

The scenes in the Shire with Ted Sandyman arguing with Frodo and others (and Merry and Pippin singing) were true to the book and helped show that things were still going on in the Shire when bigger hijinks were ensuing outside. It also expanded on the relationships between the four main hobbits. Verdict: should have been included.

The various scenes between the Shire and Rivendell that added a few more frames onto certain parts I'm ambivalent towards. Might as well have left them out to save time.

The extra scenes in Rivendell are all fairly superfluous, even the ones at the council. Interesting, but unnecessary.

Finally, I think that Lorien was greatly improved in the extended version. Martin Csokas' performance as Celeborn was still as sad and wooden as it was in the theatrical version, but Cate Blanchett's lackluster scenes were augmented (though not improved in themselves) by more scenes in which she does a better job. And the gift-giving scenes helped explain a lot that went unsaid and ended up being slightly confusing later and in the second movie. Although time was a definite factor and Lorien used a lot of it, I think Jackson would have done well to have kept more of Lorien intact (though maybe cut down on the mirror scene, since I hate that part of the movie anyway  rolleyes)

As for the extra stuff, there was a lot of funny an interesting footage. I regret watching the part about how they hadled sizes, though; now that I know how they did it, parts of the movie have become somewhat less magical to me.

All in all, I don't think it's worth paying full retail price for. But it's definitely worth a rental, and serious fans will probably enjoy perusing Half.com or their local discount movie store to find a cheap copy.
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2003, 10:22:54 AM »

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All in all, I don't think it's worth paying full retail price for.

Oh, but it is! The extended edition is a MUCH BETTER film, and I think it's one of the very best DVDs out there. And at 25 bucks, it's no more expensive than the average 2-disc DVD set.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2003, 11:27:50 AM »

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And at 25 bucks, it's no more expensive than the average 2-disc DVD set.
o.O I was under the impression that the extended version retailed at just below $50. Maybe it's at $25 NOW, but that's still a chunk of money to pay.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2003, 11:31:25 AM »

Actually, I got it for 25 bucks just a couple of weeks after it released, and I saw it at Best Buy about a month ago for the same price. And yeah, it certainly is a significant ammount of cash, but it's not much more than any other DVD set. (I think single discs tend to go for around 19 bucks, don't they?)
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2003, 12:06:39 PM »

I dunno. The only DVD I've ever personally bought I got at McKay's for something like $9
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2003, 12:09:50 PM »

Let me clarify what I was saying above: If you're going to buy Fellowship on DVD, it's a better deal to spring for the 4-disc set and not settle for the comparatively bare-bones 2-discer.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2003, 01:35:25 PM »

glad you finally got a chance to watch it, Vlad!

the edition with the bookends and extra stuff was about $50 but yeah, the "regular" 4-disc set was more like $25, while the 2-disc set was about $18 and up, depending on the store. to me, the extras and especially the commentaries on the 4-disc set make it well worth the price.

I like to buy dvds but hate paying full price so I watch ebay and half.com and even have a spreadsheet of the movies I want to buy and how much they cost at various places... if a dvd I want is $6-9, including shipping and/or tax, I will buy it, but otherwise, unless I want it very badly, I'll wait. but FotR extended version was so worth it that I'll pay full price (at Target) for TTT extended version. the problem is waiting for it...sigh...  
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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2003, 09:09:11 AM »

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the edition with the bookends and extra stuff was about $50 but yeah, the "regular" 4-disc set was more like $25, while the 2-disc set was about $18 and up, depending on the store.
Ahh..the one with all the extra crap was probably what I was thinking of...

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to me, the extras and especially the commentaries on the 4-disc set make it well worth the price.

Well, you DO get something like 8 hours' worth of stuff, but unless you're far more obsessed than I am you'll probably only watch the extra stuff once. I still think it could have been done better, but (strangely enough) they didn't ask my opinion on the matter, and here we are.

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I like to buy dvds but hate paying full price so I watch ebay and half.com and even have a spreadsheet of the movies I want to buy and how much they cost at various places... if a dvd I want is $6-9, including shipping and/or tax, I will buy it, but otherwise, unless I want it very badly, I'll wait. but FotR extended version was so worth it that I'll pay full price (at Target) for TTT extended version. the problem is waiting for it...sigh...

Someday I'd like to have all the extended versions, but I might as well wait until they come out with the super platinum dragon edition or whatever they're calling it once all the movies are released. Then I'll have a huge wad of discs that I can carry around with me so that people will think I'm cool. But I figure, hey, they made me wait several years to see the whole trilogy; I can wait a couple more for the mega boffo shiny edition to fall to a reasonable price.
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2003, 01:41:51 PM »

I've read on either the main site or theonering.net that they're *not* going to make a super duper edition-to-rule-them-all once all three have been released and that it is "safe" to buy the extended editions as they come out.

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unless you're far more obsessed than I am you'll probably only watch the extra stuff once.
yeah, some of the extra stuff I only watch once but I've listened to the actors' commentary at least twice and I'm sure will listen to it again...

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Then I'll have a huge wad of discs that I can carry around with me so that people will think I'm cool.
I believe people who carry around a wad of discs are thought of as "Geeks" but I could be mistaken about that...

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2003, 06:02:19 PM »

As much fun as watching the EE was when it came out, I've always prefered the cinematic cut better for some reason.  I agree that the green dragon scene in the shire should have been left in.  But pretty much everything else, I'm not heartbroken that it was cut.  Well, the lembas scene should have been left in too...and the Lothlorien gifting scene.

All in all, the extended edition drags a bit.  The score doesn't seem as moving, most notably when Galadriel says of the phial, "may it be a light when all other lights go out", the cinematic version was better musically, and Boromir's slow motion death scene was much better in the cinematic version also.  The score fit the film much better.

But the one scene that ruins it for me was Sam's goofy little poem.  Yeah, it works in the book, but it just seems out of place in the film.  And who's Aragorn slapping when Sam's saying it?
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2003, 06:22:03 PM »

Gimli. because Gimli is snoring.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2003, 07:07:50 PM »

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As much fun as watching the EE was when it came out, I've always prefered the cinematic cut better for some reason.  I agree that the green dragon scene in the shire should have been left in.  But pretty much everything else, I'm not heartbroken that it was cut.  Well, the lembas scene should have been left in too...and the Lothlorien gifting scene.

All in all, the extended edition drags a bit.  The score doesn't seem as moving, most notably when Galadriel says of the phial, "may it be a light when all other lights go out", the cinematic version was better musically, and Boromir's slow motion death scene was much better in the cinematic version also.  The score fit the film much better.
A good analysis, Iota. I've seen the theatrical release about five times now, so obviously I'm not going to get too bored during EE, but it did add some definite length.

I thought the cinematic cut's take on Lorien was exceptionally disappointing, so that's one thing that I really like about the ee...Lorien is much better.

I'm guessing that some of the scenes seem to 'clunk' musically is because they weren't included in the final cut, so they didn't get as much post-production work. That's my guess, at least.

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But the one scene that ruins it for me was Sam's goofy little poem.  Yeah, it works in the book, but it just seems out of place in the film.  And who's Aragorn slapping when Sam's saying it?

It did seem a little out-of-place, but I thought it wasn't too bad.
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