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« Reply #80 on: January 19, 2006, 06:32:39 PM »

WARNING: Possible spoilers ahead, but only for those who don't like to know what character will have flashbacks in upcoming episodes.

Here's what I know regarding who some of the upcoming episodes will focus on. I'll use this and the existing episodes to take a stab at who  think is left to fill in the remaining episodes of the season.

First, there's what we've all seen already:

2.1: Man of Science, Man of Faith - Jack
2.2: Adrift - Michael
2.3: Orientation - Locke
2.4: Everybody Hates Hugo - Hurley
2.5: ...And Found - Jin and Sun
2.6: Abandoned - Shannon
2.7: The Other 48 Days - (none)
2.8: Collision - Ana-Lucia
2.9: What Kate Did - Kate
2.10: The 23rd Psalm - Eko
2.11: The Hunting Party - Jack

Then, there's what's coming up shortly (according to tv.com):

2.12: Fire + Water - Charlie
2.13: The Long Con - Sawyer
2.14: One of Them - Sayid
2.15: Maternity Leave - Claire

That leaves eight episodes to speculate on. The season finale will likely be flashbacks for various characters, as it was last year. That leaves seven episodes. My votes for who else will get flashback episodes this season:

Libby - She's the only regular cast member whose flashbacks we haven't seen at this point
Locke - They'll probably explain how he ended up in the wheelchair
Kate - She's one of the show's biggest stars, so of course she'll get two episodes
Ana-Lucia - If she's going to be helping lead an army, and she's the new character who is supposed to be so central to story, we can expect another episode about her
Jin and Sun - Not as much of a guarantee, but I'd like to see something more than a fluff story on them this year
Michael - His first flashback this season was thrown together hastily (that was originally supposed to be a Sawyer episode, and it got changed for unknown reasons), and they'll likely show us the Walt search (or what he's doing with "The Others", assuming he doesn't come back any time soon) from his perspective
Jack - It wouldn't surprise me to see him get flashback #3 this year, like he did last year (but I'm hoping they don't do this)

As a wild card option, I'm willing to bet they'll do one episode on someone surprising, like Walt, or Desmond, or Danielle. Someone who is important to the show, but not a regular cast member this year. Or an "island history" sort of episode not focusing on any one character (though that would be even gutsier than The Other 48 Days because it wouldn't involve any of the regular cast at all). This "wild card" could be the season finale, or it could be in place of one of the above.

They've hinted that they might explore the flashback option for Rose and Bernard... but that would be in Season 3, at the earliest. So I'm ruling them out for the time being.
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« Reply #81 on: January 19, 2006, 06:36:04 PM »

From what I'm hearing, Libby is going to get a flashback episode this season. As will Jin and Sun, but it doesn't sound like there's gonna be much to the episode at this point.
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« Reply #82 on: January 19, 2006, 06:52:40 PM »

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2.12: Fire + Water - Charlie
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2.13: The Long Con - Sawyer
2.14: One of Them - Sayid
2.15: Maternity Leave - Claire

Now all of THOSE are very exciting! Especially Claire. It's about damn time. Also glad to hear Sayid will be doing more than wandering around looking pensive this season. (That's Kate's job!)

I would guess your picks for the remaining flashbacks are dead on. (I did read in TV Guide that there will for sure be another Locke flashback.) I dread another Kate flashback with every fiber of my being. What's left to know?

Honestly - this is going to be so unpopular - I'm kind of over the Jin & Sun flashbacks. I love them both, but like with Kate, what's left to know? "And Found" was pointless. I kind of can't think of anything in their past I'd really like to know about.

Earlier - this is also going to be unpopular - I was thinking about future flashbacks, and I was really hoping Jack would get another one this season. I'm guessing he will, because as you said, he got three last season.

I hope Libby gets an episode soon.

I would LOVE a Desmond/Danielle/Walt flashback. Any of them would be great. And Rose and Bernard...yes! I want Kate and Ana Lucia to die and Rose and Bernard to take their screentime.

I wonder if they'll ever show what's happening in real time in the real world. Maybe like a montage of the survivors' family members reacting to footage of the crash or something? Not sure how I'd feel about how it would change the structure of the show, but it would be interesting.
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« Reply #83 on: January 19, 2006, 06:53:57 PM »

I'm certainly looking forward to Claire's flashback. Not just because I think the actress is hot either.
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« Reply #84 on: January 19, 2006, 06:58:44 PM »

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I'm certainly looking forward to Claire's flashback. Not just because I think the actress is hot either.
I'm a girl, but for what it's worth I think Emilie de Ravin is easily the prettiest of the female cast members. She's a better actress than Evangeline Lilly, Maggie Grace, and Michelle Rodriguez, and as good as Yunjin Kim. It sucks that she's been pushed aside this season to make room for Kate's love triangle and Ana Lucia the princess of darkness.

Evangeline Lilly seems really sweet and likeable in interviews. Too bad that doesn't translate to Kate.
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« Reply #85 on: January 19, 2006, 07:00:01 PM »

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I dread another Kate flashback with every fiber of my being. What's left to know?

She told Sawyer that she had been married once. That could be interesting.

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Honestly - this is going to be so unpopular - I'm kind of over the Jin & Sun flashbacks. I love them both, but like with Kate, what's left to know? "And Found" was pointless. I kind of can't think of anything in their past I'd really like to know about.

I just love it when either of them is on screen, in general. But I had been speculating last year that this couple had some sort of baby/fertility issues. It just seemed too ominous when the subject of whether Claire's baby was OK, or how to take care of Claire's baby, etc. was brought up around them. If they did it right, it could be like Locke's first flashback (us not knowing he was in the wheelchair due to how they hid it and all), where, if they're careful, they can go the whole episode without showing Sun's body below the shoulders or whatever, and leave the big reveal for near the end. That would be interesting. Probably wouldn't have much to do with the on-island story, but it would do a lot in terms of character development. And it would be pretty dramatic, because later on they'd have to explain how she lost the baby. Especially considering that they've been married for four years (we didn't know that until last night), they've had plenty of time to try and conceive offspring, and I'm sure that Jin, the traditional Korean guy, would've wanted that.

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I wonder if they'll ever show what's happening in real time in the real world. Maybe like a montage of the survivors' family members reacting to footage of the crash or something? Not sure how I'd feel about how it would change the structure of the show, but it would be interesting.

I was thinking that if they knew far enough in advance when the show was going to end/get cancelled, they could plan the series finale to take place long after the rescue of the Lostaways, and have them all flashing back to their escape from the island. But I don't know; maybe that'd be too Star Trek: Voyager.

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« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2006, 07:09:00 PM »

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She told Sawyer that she had been married once. That could be interesting.
Oh yeah. I remember thinking that Wayne was maybe her husband at first in "What Kate Did".

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I just love it when either of them is on screen, in general.

I love them as well - I just love them on the island more than their flashbacks. But your theory is interesting - I had wondered in the past why they don't have any kids. I want Sun to help Jin learn English, because he's currently so limited in who he can interact with. I love the Jin/Sawyer/Michael bonding element. I think if Jin learned English, he would take much more of a leadership role on the island.

I suppose writing any of the characters off as "done" flashback-wise is premature, so scratch what I said about Jin, Sun, and even Kate. I still hate Kate, though.

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I was thinking that if they knew far enough in advance when the show was going to end/get cancelled, they could plan the series finale to take place long after the rescue of the Lostaways, and have them all flashing back to their escape from the island. But I don't know; maybe that'd be too Star Trek: Voyager.

That would be cool. I don't want to dwell on the show's end/cancellation, though; what would I have to live for?
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« Reply #87 on: January 24, 2006, 10:38:16 AM »

I just figured out that the guy who played Goodwin also plays a Republican vice-presidential candidate on The West Wing this season. Someone really needs to tell Alan Alda his running mate is one of The Others.
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« Reply #88 on: January 24, 2006, 01:47:00 PM »

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Yes, exactly. This is what makes Lost different from so many other shows, at least in my mind. Other folks do complain about the flashbacks, and how they kill the momentum of whatever island action is going on. I wondered if that was going to start to happen after a while, once we got to mid-season 2 and we were on Jack flashback #5 or whatever. But the thing is, if done correctly, a flashback could introduce a new element to any character at any time. It might help explain previous actions that made new sense to us, or it might give a previously hated character the opportunity to grow on us (though they have to be careful with not crying wolf too many times on the redemption stuff).

Take, for example, Sawyer botching the mercy killing of the Marshal. When we first saw that, we were all like, whatever, Sawyer's just an ass, and now he's an incompetent ass on top of that. Fast forward to Outlaws, when his lifelong search for the real Sawyer results in him killing the wrong guy. That adds a whole new layer of angst and frustration to his inability to properly dispose of the Marshal. (Might not be the best example, since I think we all like Sawyer, but this sort of thing applies to other characters as well, and it's proof that either the writers are planning way ahead, or we're just obsessive fans who read way too much into things.)

On another topic, there's been the creepy suggestion over at the TWoP boards that the person Sarah was cheating on Jack with was his dad. I kind of cringed at that idea - it would make ost a bit too soapy. But I re-watched Do No Harm yesterday, and Jack's dad made this comment to him while they were sitting out at the pool late at night, about how Sarah was a pretty girl. Before, that was just a tossed-off nice thing to say about the woman his son was choosing to marry. Now, it comes across as ten kinds of icky.
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« Reply #89 on: January 24, 2006, 03:33:58 PM »

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But the thing is, if done correctly, a flashback could introduce a new element to any character at any time. It might help explain previous actions that made new sense to us, or it might give a previously hated character the opportunity to grow on us (though they have to be careful with not crying wolf too many times on the redemption stuff).
I think the Sawyer example is a great one - I loathed Sawyer with every fiber of my being until "Confidence Man". Sure, he amused me a bit in spots, but overall I thought he was an ass, and a one-note ass at that. There was a time when I liked Kate better than Sawyer. The thought sickens me now, but it was true. That was a case of the redemption formula working perfectly. (They did pretty well with Jin, too, but he stopped the overbearing husband bit the MOMENT his flashback aired - not a great move, but forgivable.) Shannon and especially Ana-Lucia's "redemptions" have been far less effective for me. (I can easily let Shannon's slide since she's dead, though.) An anti-redemption flashback for one of the characters we loved on the island would've been very interesting, albeit risky. (Maybe they can try that with Libby - we generally like her, but we're not attached.) It would be a variation on the Kill-Jack-in-the-Pilot theme.

Some other instances where the flashbacks made me want to watch earlier episodes over - Sun. knowing. English! (Well, this was revealed on the island first, but the flashback was a big part of it.) She friggin' heard Jack and Kate talking about Kate's criminal past back in the day, before anyone but Jack and Hurley (I think that's it...) knew. They never explored it, but it was interesting. Also, Jack being married was a big deal to me. They gave absolutely no clues before "Do No Harm". Kate had the first flashback episode, but in the pilot she pretended to not know how to use a gun when the polar bear showed up. Ah, that was lovely - I remember thinking "Wow, how awesome - she's not trying to be some kind of badass tough girl, she's so normal." I LIKED Kate. Oh, how the tables turn. And of course Shannon/Boone. It made me re-think every scene they had together.

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On another topic, there's been the creepy suggestion over at the TWoP boards that the person Sarah was cheating on Jack with was his dad.

Gross. It would amplify my Sarah hate - as if that's necessary. I hate her more than even Kate. I'm no fan of Christian, either, and that wouldn't help matters. That puts a damper on the only one of two Christian moments I genuinely liked, too, so I'm really hoping that's not the case. It's ridiculous since I haven't even seen "Man of Science, Man of Faith", but my immediate thought was that she was cheating on him with Desmond. I think that would be Lost-y without being soapy. You KNOW, though, that it's someone we've met, or someone volatile, because of the "I'm seeing someone, someone ELSE" line. Oh, yeah, and it's Lost.
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« Reply #90 on: January 26, 2006, 12:37:50 PM »

That episode was just ok. Next week should be better.
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« Reply #91 on: January 26, 2006, 01:05:46 PM »

I really, really liked this episode. Surprising, given how much of a non-fan of Charlie I am, but any episode where Charlie gets slapped and punched multiple times is fine by me. His flashbacks were actually interesting, I thought - he was genuinely trying to get his brother to clean up, and I admired that (even though he wasn't terribly "cleaned up" himself). The diaper commercial was priceless, as was Ana-Lucia's query about whether Jack was "hittin' that".

Shocking as it is, this might have been my favorite episode thus far this season, contending with Everybody Hates Hugo and possibly Orientation. I'll have to re-watch those to be sure.

Really looking forward to The Long Con... which airs in two weeks, by the way. I'm wondering if Lotto Girl (who is played by Harold Perrineau's wife, just FI) will show up again in Sawyer's flashbacks.

And Sun had better be OK!!!
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« Reply #92 on: January 26, 2006, 03:26:23 PM »

I loved it too, which surprised me since I was sitting myself up to hate it. I hate Charlie so it was pretty much a given, but wow. It was great. The shot of Locke watching the Kate/Charlie scuffle was great. What does Locke want with Aaron and/or Claire. So weird. I like it when Lost brings the Creepy.
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« Reply #93 on: January 26, 2006, 04:26:39 PM »

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The shot of Locke watching the Kate/Charlie scuffle was great.
Was that the one where they spun around from the back to the front of his head, with eerie music in the background? I think that was a deliberate reuse of an idea, because they did almost exactly the same thing at the end of Tabula Rasa.

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« Reply #96 on: January 27, 2006, 04:16:56 PM »

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Back then, they were trying to throw us off by making us think Locke was some sort of creepy child molester or something. It was a great scene because the doggie reunion totally made me tear up, only for the view of Locke looking on to totally creep me out.
That's how I saw the shot on Wednesday's episode, also. I've never thought of Locke as a child molester, but before "Walkabout" I did think he was a creepy dude who probably helped plot the plane's crash somehow. And on the new episode ("Fire + Water"?) I was suddenly confused again about whether or not I should like Locke, or whether or not I should trust him. I really like that about his character - last week, I was all "Locke's awesome!!!" and this week, I don't know if Locke's okay or a complete and total pscyho with intents to harm Aaron and/or Claire. Which is great drama!

(Making Locke a bad guy would be super interesting. Especially since they've "redeemed" so many characters.)
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« Reply #97 on: January 27, 2006, 06:10:47 PM »

OK, I'm going to list my Top 20 funniest moments/scenes from Lost thus far.

1. Hurley's CD player running out of batteries. "Sunnova bitch." (...In Translation)
2. Jack manipulating Sawyer into confessing that he contracted an STD, only to tell him he needs glasses (Deus Ex Machina)
3. Hurley and Jin's "Pee on my foot!" scene (Hearts and Minds)
4. Boone and Locke's "redshirt" conversation. "Sounds like a piss-poor captain." (All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues)
5. Sawyer calling Locke "Mr. Clean" (The Hunting Party)
6. Drive Shaft filming the diaper commercial (Fire + Water)
7. Charlie throwing up on the copier (Homecoming)
8. Walt, after beating Hurley at Backgammon: "You owe me 20,000 dollars!" Hurley: "Don't worry, you'll get it." (All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues)
9. Charlie, to Eko: "What are you gonna do, beat me with your Jesus stick?" (The 23rd Psalm)
10. Hurley speaking Korean and Jin speaking English in Hurley's dream (Everybody Hates Hugo)
11. Sawyer calling Sayid "Al Jazeera" and having Charlie inform him that it's a network (Tabula Rasa)
12. Hurley's mom: "It's Jesus! He wants to know what kind of car you want!" (Everybody Hates Hugo)
13. Charlie, to Jack and Kate: "If you two are done verbally copulating, we should get a move on." (House of the Rising Sun)
14. Hurley, upon realizing the Marshal is still alive: "Aw, no way, dude!" (Tabula Rasa)
15. Randy asking Locke for his TPS reports (Walkabout)
16. Hurley's rant to Danielle about wanting answers and the "pissed off giraffe" (Numbers)
17. Hurley fainting after winning the lottery (Numbers)
18. Sawyer, to Jack: "A doctor playin' golf. Now I've heard everything. What's next? A cop eatin' a doughnut?" (Solitary)
19. Christian (and later Jack), to Sawyer: "That's why the Sox will never win the damn series." (Outlaws)
20. Helen telling Locke she likes bald men. "But I'm not bald." "I can wait." (Orientation)

Honorable mention: Shannon telling Charlie she can't stand Drive Shaft. "Do you have their, like, one song stuck in your head?" (Pilot, Pt. 2, deleted scene)
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« Reply #98 on: January 27, 2006, 06:14:07 PM »

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That's how I saw the shot on Wednesday's episode, also. I've never thought of Locke as a child molester, but before "Walkabout" I did think he was a creepy dude who probably helped plot the plane's crash somehow. And on the new episode ("Fire + Water"?) I was suddenly confused again about whether or not I should like Locke, or whether or not I should trust him. I really like that about his character - last week, I was all "Locke's awesome!!!" and this week, I don't know if Locke's okay or a complete and total pscyho with intents to harm Aaron and/or Claire. Which is great drama!

(Making Locke a bad guy would be super interesting. Especially since they've "redeemed" so many characters.)
I'm pretty certain that Locke is not a bad guy. He just has his own agenda, independant of Jack or anyone else, and is focused on making that happen. And somehow the baby has something to do with it. But his motivation is not bad or evil. I think somehow Charlie just is getting in the way of whatever it is he wants to see happen now - whatever that actually is isn't to harm Aaron or Claire though. I'd say that with a good 95% certainty. Smiley
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« Reply #99 on: January 27, 2006, 08:58:19 PM »

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I'm pretty certain that Locke is not a bad guy. He just has his own agenda, independant of Jack or anyone else, and is focused on making that happen. And somehow the baby has something to do with it. But his motivation is not bad or evil. I think somehow Charlie just is getting in the way of whatever it is he wants to see happen now - whatever that actually is isn't to harm Aaron or Claire though. I'd say that with a good 95% certainty. Smiley
I don't think the producers have the balls for making Locke evil, but it would be pretty cool. I think he's up to no good where Aaron and Claire are concerned, I'm just not sure what it could be specifically. Before I didn't think Locke could possibly be involved in Walt's disappearance or even directly responsible for Boone's death, but now I'm not so sure.

My mom thinks he made a "deal" with "the island" and in exchange for the continued use of his legs, he has to "give" "it" Aaron.

Nice list, Murlough! A few you didn't mention that I love (quotes approximated and not all episodes listed because I'm way too lazy to look):

-"So a tribe of evil natives planted a ringer in the camp to kidnap a pregnant girl and a VH1 has-beens reject. Fiendishly clever," Sawyer to Walt. (All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues)
-Sawyer waving at Jack as he heads toward the caves.
-Charlie, in the pilot episode after Kate freaks out and yells for Jack: "I heard you yelling. I heard you yell 'Jack'. My name's Charlie by the way."
-Hurley fainting while Jack's operating on the Marshal. (Tabula Rasa)
-Charlie to Eko: "Are you gonna beat me with your Jesus stick?" (The 23rd Psalm)
-Locke to Jack, last week: "Right, Jack, I've been running through the jungle toward the sound of gunfire because I don't care about Michael." (The Hunting Party)
-Locke, to Sun after she tore up her garden in "...And Found": "Bad day?"
-Sayid making fun of Sawyer in "Outlaws", and Sawyer's subsequent "Laugh it up, Muhammad."
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« Reply #100 on: January 27, 2006, 09:07:39 PM »

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-Charlie to Eko: "Are you gonna beat me with your Jesus stick?" (The 23rd Psalm)
Dude! That one's classic. Totally needs to go on my list!

As for Sawyer nicknames, some of my other favorites are "Captain Falafel" (Sayid), "Metro" (Boone), "Mr. Miyagi" (Jin), "Short Round" (Walt), "Jungle Boy" (Ethan), "Zeke" (whatever that other's name is), "Shaft" (Eko), and "Stay-Puft" (Hurley). I know I must be forgetting some...

And then there's Michael's nickname for Locke: "Mt. Baldy". That's actually a local Los Angeles landmark. laugh

Regarding Sawyer's classic comment about a doctor playing golf and a cop eating a donut, I'd love to see a scene where Sawyer stumbles across Ana-Lucia in the hatch, eating a Dharma brand donut.

Next up, when I have time to think about it... my list of the best "OMG!" surprise moments on Lost.
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I forgot about that one - "I'm sick of being treated like a second-class citizen because Mt. Baldy can bag a boar." That was a definite laugh-out-loud moment. It's ironic, too, that at least according the the gag reel on the DVD, Harold Perrineau is one of the funniest cast members, yet he plays such a straight character.

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Wow. That's a long list. (For me at least!)
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« Reply #102 on: February 01, 2006, 03:05:05 PM »

Ok, so here's an interesting issue that has been creating some buzz on the TWoP boards. In explaining baptism to Claire, Eko mentioned that John the Baptist saw the dove and knew that he had washed Jesus clean of His sins... something like that. At the time, I didn't really think about it, because religious characters misstate things on TV frequently enough that I just shake my head and go, "whatever". But apparently some Christian viewers were really offended by it.

Now, remember the misquote "shadow of the valley of death"? We know from Eko's flashback that he wasn't really a legitimate priest. But do you think the writers are trying to further establish this by having Eko misquote Scripture and espouse heretical ideas? Or are the writers just royally goofing up and showing how ignorant they are when it comes to Christianity? Any thoughts?

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Ok, so here's an interesting issue that has been creating some buzz on the TWoP boards. In explaining baptism to Claire, Eko mentioned that John the Baptist saw the dove and knew that he had washed Jesus clean of His sins... something like that. At the time, I didn't really think about it, because religious characters misstate things on TV frequently enough that I just shake my head and go, "whatever". But apparently some Christian viewers were really offended by it.

Now, remember the misquote "shadow of the valley of death"? We know from Eko's flashback that he wasn't really a legitimate priest. But do you think the writers are trying to further establish this by having Eko misquote Scripture and espouse heretical ideas? Or are the writers just royally goofing up and showing how ignorant they are when it comes to Christianity? Any thoughts?

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It could be either way. I wasn't angry about it, because I don't expect good doctrine from tv, but it did annoy me because of how far off it was.

Maybe it is the writer's doing it on purpose, that would actually be very interesting. We'll see.
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« Reply #104 on: February 01, 2006, 03:31:14 PM »

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Now, remember the misquote "shadow of the valley of death"? We know from Eko's flashback that he wasn't really a legitimate priest. But do you think the writers are trying to further establish this by having Eko misquote Scripture and espouse heretical ideas? Or are the writers just royally goofing up and showing how ignorant they are when it comes to Christianity? Any thoughts?
I hope it's the former, because ignorance is offensive no matter who it's coming from and I wouldn't want Lost to bring religious elements into the picture as a major plot device without understanding or researching any of it. (Hello, Gilmore Girls!) Eko as a heretic would be awesome dramatically. That's what they SHOULD do, even if they haven't planned it all along. Instead of making them look stupid, it'd make them look really smart.
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« Reply #105 on: February 01, 2006, 03:46:24 PM »

I'm leaning towards Eko being a heretic, but a well-meaning one who just doesn't know he's a heretic. How he became a priest in the first place makes that the obvious direction in which to take his story.

However, the writers have admitted to some goofs in the past - Locke's comment to Randy about the mountain climber in Walkabout being one of their more notorious ones. (Norman Croucher didn't actually climb Everest. he climbed Cho Oyo, in Tibet. Close enough for Locke's point to still make sense, and I suppose they could have spun it as Locke believing an urban legend version of the story to make it sound even more amazing than it was... but they just admitted that they screwed up.)

Another fun goof was the hatch door. Someone called them on it in a podcast question and they admitted that yeah, it was pretty ridiculous to have Locke and Boone do all that hatch-related digging and drive themselves nuts trying to find a way in, when there was a front door all along.

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« Reply #106 on: February 02, 2006, 07:02:33 PM »

OK, here we go. These are the top 20 "Holy crap!!!" moments on Lost. These aren't all the most satisfying in terms of the outcome of the surprises, but they're generally the things I wasn't expecting that took my breath away for a second.

1. Locke seen in a wheelchair for the first time (Walkabout)
2. The bird from Walt's schoolbook crashing into his window (Special)
3. Realizing that the first scene of Season 2 is not a flashback, but takes place inside the hatch (Man of Science, Man of Faith)
4. Walt getting kidnapped (Exodus, Pt. 2)
5. Hurley revealing that Ethan wasn't on the flight, as he approaches Claire and Charlie in the next scene (Raised by Another)
6. Finding out Walt burned the raft (...In Translation)
7. Boone and Shannon's tryst (Hearts and Minds)
8. Locke crying at the hatch, and the light suddenly comes on (Deus Ex Machina)
9. Ana-Lucia revealed to be Shannon's shooter (Abandoned)
10. Hurley on Korean TV (...In Translation)
11. Sun turning out to be Michael's poisoner (Born to Run)
12. Sun speaks English! (House of the Rising Sun)
13. Michael at the computer: "Dad?" (What Kate Did)
14. Arzt blowing up (Exodus, Pt. 2)
15. Boone and Locke discovering Claire in the jungle (Special)
16. Hurley's numbers being the lottery numbers (Numbers)
17. Claire not remembering anything after the crash (Homecoming)
18. Charlie shooting Ethan (Homecoming)
19. Shannon is revealed to still be alive (Hearts and Minds)
20. Locke revealing that he hit Sayid over the head (The Greater Good)
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« Reply #107 on: February 02, 2006, 07:40:55 PM »

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That would be my number one, followed closely by "We're gonna have to take the boy." Both gave me chills.

More recently, Jack, Sawyer, and Locke running into the Others in the woods was a big one.

Good list. I'll have to think of more later.
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« Reply #108 on: February 02, 2006, 07:44:33 PM »

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That would have been a great surprise if not for the preview monkeys.

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« Reply #109 on: February 03, 2006, 02:40:53 AM »

OK, just for fun, I decided to match up some song lyrics to pictures. I was listening to the song "Me Without You" by Rebecca St. James, and there was just way too much stuff from Lost that seemed to fit. Lots of images in this one, so look here:

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« Reply #110 on: February 06, 2006, 11:46:10 AM »

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Great list.

I would add the scene when Sawyer and Michael first wash back on the shore after losing the raft and seeing Jin yelling "Udders!" as very creepy people steal onto the beach.
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« Reply #111 on: February 06, 2006, 12:53:13 PM »

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That one would have been much more powerful if they hadn't given away ahead of time that the Tailies had survived. Not listing Michelle Rodriguez in the opening credits until Orientation would have been a big help. Granted, I didn't know that Eko was also a crash survivor, and assumed he was one of the Others as well... but I more or less expected Ana-Lucia to have encountered some Others on that side of the island.
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« Reply #112 on: February 06, 2006, 01:17:56 PM »

By the way, did anyone catch the "Addicted to Lost" music video that aired during the SuperBowl? If not, ABC has it on their website. I forget the link at the moment, but I think I put it on my blog. It was muy hilarioso.
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« Reply #113 on: February 06, 2006, 03:04:50 PM »

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Did they or did they not get that from me? I had that as my signature on here for a while. Posers.
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« Reply #114 on: February 08, 2006, 07:32:17 AM »

Well, my wife and I have FINALLY caught up, and will start watching our first "live" episode tonight.  MAN, this is one awesome show!  Along with 24, it's my favorite.

Favorite characters:  Sawyer; Jack; Eko; Kate (sorry Alda); Sayid.
Least favorite characters:  Ana-Lucia, Shannon.

I don't have time to go into all the detail of favorite moments, etc., but I found myself pretty much agreeing with all of the lists.

I think Eko is a heretic, too.  His comment about Jesus did irk me...which is why I hope it is revealed that he's a heretic.  Doesn't change the fact that he's one of my favorites on the show.
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« Reply #115 on: February 08, 2006, 08:51:03 AM »

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Least favorite characters:  Ana-Lucia, Shannon.
It's okay. Other than the misplacement of Kate, your lists are dead-on.  =D  
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« Reply #116 on: February 09, 2006, 01:24:18 PM »

OK, it's official. Charlie has officially replaced Ana-Lucia as my least favorite character. I like that he gets to be dark now and do something other than whine... but man, he really needs to die. Nobody messes with my Sun. Nobody.

Good episode, though. The deja vu when Sawyer tried to pull the exact same con on a different girl was amusing. As was Hurley's kidding around about time travel.

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« Reply #117 on: February 09, 2006, 02:38:52 PM »

I taped it and watched it super late, so I don't know if that's affecting my judgement, but I didn't really like it. I'm gonna watch it again, though. Hopefully I'll have clearer thoughts then.
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« Reply #118 on: February 09, 2006, 03:14:58 PM »

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I'm thinking that my lasting opinion of this episode will lie in how well I think the clues were placed when I re-watch it.

I haven't watched any Season 2 episode more than twice yet (and the ones I've rewatched have generally been because Christine worked that night, so I watched the tape with her when she got home), but one thing that's bugging me is that while a few episodes have come that close, Season 2 hasn't had a true "A grade episode" yet. Here's how I'd rate them all:

Man of Science, Man of Faith: B
Adrift: C+
Orientation: B+
Everybody Hates Hugo: B+
...And Found: B-
Abandoned: C+
The Other 48 Days: B+
Collision: B-
What Kate Did B
The 23rd Psalm: B-
The Hunting Party: B
Fire + Water: B+
The Long Con: B+

To be fair, this season hasn't yet had an episode as lackluster, disappointing, or difficult to watch as Homecoming, Whatever the Case may Be, or The Greater Good. I'm just hoping Lost will bring an "A Game" episode like ...In Translation, Numbers, or Exodus Pt. 1 before Season 2 comes to a close.

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« Reply #119 on: February 09, 2006, 04:44:49 PM »

Okay, I watched it again when my mom was watching it for the first time. Lots of it still makes no sense to me. Kate all's "Of course Sawyer would know I would ask him to tell Locke Jack was coming. for. the guns!!!" But what the hell? That made no sense anyway, so how could Sawyer have possibly predicted it? I know Sawyer's smart, but I just can't give him that much credit.

Plus, this could signal the end of the Sawyer/Kate mating ritual, and since the only time I can bear Kate is when she's around Sawyer, it makes me sad. I love that Jack's still giving her the cold shoulder, but Jack's kind of grating a bit right now. I know, I love him, but still. Why does everyone defer to him and Locke? Sawyer has a point.

My mom pointed out, during the teaser for next week (which looks awesome, by the way - I LOVE me some Sayid), that they're going Lord of the Flies out there. And they are. It's about damn time.

I would rank this season's episodes:

1. The Hunting Party
2. The Other 48 Days
3. Fire + Water
4. What Kate Did
5. Everybody Hates Hugo
6. Abandoned
7. Collision
8. The 23rd Pslam
9. The Long Con
10. ...And Found

Still haven't seen the first three.
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