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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2005, 03:15:30 PM » |
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Ouch. I expected it to be bad, but I at least figured it would be bad due to Stapp's reach far exceeding his grasp. Stapp playing it safe sounds like a far worse proposition. I'm excited to hear this one just so that I can write a review that pelts it with rotten vegetables.
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2005, 03:38:38 PM » |
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His voice sounds absolutely awful here. Worse than it did on the last 2 Creed albums.
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2005, 06:05:36 PM » |
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Oh, I'm definitely interested, but it appeals to my baser instincts.
(I don't think Creed warranted the existence of semi-fans, even)
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2005, 06:06:16 PM » |
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Oh, I'm definitely interested, but it appeals to my baser instincts.
(I don't think Creed warranted the existence of semi-fans, even) I was a fan of the first album but that's it. On Human Clay and thereafter, they sold out majorly |
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2005, 06:08:33 PM » |
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Even My Own Prison has not aged well. It's . . . ok.
I'm not even concerned about them selling-out. The problem was that they just weren't that compelling in the first place. You could find the same kind of music, done better and prior to that, if you were just willing, and I was.
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2005, 06:12:58 PM » |
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Even My Own Prison has not aged well. It's . . . ok.
I'm not even concerned about them selling-out. The problem was that they just weren't that compelling in the first place. You could find the same kind of music, done better and prior to that, if you were just willing, and I was. Oh I know. My Own Prison had a few good tracks on it. But yes, there was alot better stuff in the same genre. |
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2005, 09:33:10 PM » |
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Creed was such a mixed bag to me. Initally, I liked My Own Prison, and I liked "Higher" when I heard it on the radio for the first time or two. Then I realized the rest of their stuff sounded about the same. They were way too overexposed, ignorant commentators labeled them as bad CCM, and Scott's voice annoys the heck out of me after a song or two.
However, my main problem with Creed probably isn't even their fault. The worst part about Creed, IMO, were the knockoff bands. The local rock station was plagued with rock acts who sang like Stapp and played nothing but drop-tuned power chords. Plus, they can be blamed for Kutless :)
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2005, 03:57:35 PM » |
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Listened to some clips. This one does sound a bit painful. The occasional "response-to-critics-who-think-I'm-cheesy" song can be fun, but Stapp is clearly preoccupied with how he looks in the eyes of others, and his refusal to move beyond that obsession strikes me as quite unhealthy. Dude, we get that you're human, and broken, and people throw stones at you. We all deal with it. Get the hell over it already and write about something else.
And yes, his voice has gotten more and more grating with time.
I'll probably always love the Creed songs that stood out to me (most of the singles, plus one or two odd songs here and there), but I didn't think any of their albums were amazingly consistent. My Own Prison was underproduced and that bogged down the well-written songs on the album. Human Clay was mired in unchanging tempos. And Weathered just proved that the band wasn't very good at diversifying, despite their attempts to prove otherwise.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2005, 07:29:57 PM » |
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I've only heard the title track, and ignoring the vocals, it's not that bad.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2005, 07:32:53 PM » |
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I've only heard the title track, and ignoring the vocals, it's not that bad. The problem being that I don't ignore vocals. NP: "Your Grace Is Enough", Chris Tomlin |
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2005, 07:54:15 PM » |
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The problem being that I don't ignore vocals.
NP: "Your Grace Is Enough", Chris Tomlin Exactly, I can ignore vocals as long as they're on key and the other elements are good. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2005, 01:33:51 AM » |
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Dude, we get that you're human, and broken, and people throw stones at you. We all deal with it. Get the hell over it already and write about something else. Just out of curiosity, are you that harsh with bands that you like that keep a repetitive theme in their songs? (Switchfoot seems to be a good example). I think he should be able to write about whatever the heck is important to him. How well he writes about it is a different matter, but the themes are his business. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2005, 02:21:39 AM » |
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Just out of curiosity, are you that harsh with bands that you like that keep a repetitive theme in their songs? (Switchfoot seems to be a good example). Well, I put up with it with Creed for quite some time (I was a semi-fan for most of their tenure), and you know, it is starting to get a tad repetitive with Switchfoot. Switchfoot just makes way better music and their lead singer doesn't grate on my nerves. They don't fall prey to contrivance and cliches nearly as often. But yeah, Nothing Is Sound could have benefitted greatly from some more thematic variance. I think he should be able to write about whatever the heck is important to him. I think the issue is that continually writing response-to-critics songs invariably just adds more fuel to their fire, since their main allegation against him is that he takes himself and his image waaaaayyy too seriously. How well he writes about it is a different matter, but the themes are his business. If you keep going on about the same old thing album after album, it's going to get old, even if your subject matter was fresh and inspiring when you first started. It's his right to keep doing it, but it's my right to say that it's getting friggin' annoying. (It's also my right to not listen, I suppose, but then I can't really write a review, can I?) |
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2005, 05:15:41 PM » |
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And another thing... if Jon Foreman went solo, I'd expect his music and lyrical focus to be a bit of a departure from Switchfoot's. That's generally the point of going solo... doing stuff that you couldn't/didn't do in your band for whatever reason. Establishing your own identity and proving you're not reliant on your previous legacy to prop up your current reputation as an artist.
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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2005, 03:15:53 PM » |
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2005, 03:31:30 PM » |
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Finally got the chance to listen to this. A lot of these songs are pretty good... until Stapp opens his mouth, that is.
NP: "Let Me Go", Scott Stapp
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2006, 04:57:48 PM » |
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Listening to the album again... it's hitting me even harder this time, the realization that this album would really kick ass if written and sung by just about anyone other than Scott Stapp. The music is really solid.
NP: "Hard Way", Scott Stapp
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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2006, 01:50:23 AM » |
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Unfortunately, I said the same thing about Creed after awhile. I didn't see this article from Rolling Stone posted here yet, but apparently the album isn't doing too hot sales-wise - at least from a guy part of the largest rock band of the early 00s. After reading the article, I really felt sorry for the guy. Yeah, a lot of his problems are self-inflicted. His ego still seems to be a bit too big, and he needs to get rid of the hair and wife-beater T-Shirt/jacket combo. But, knowing his strict and legalistic background, I would expect a bit of a crisis now and then. |
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2006, 02:18:21 AM » |
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I read that article. It was very interesting. I appreciated RS's attempt to get both sides of the story.
I really, really wish Scott Stapp well in his pursuit of God and his personal endeavors. I just wish he'd downsize the ego and learn to handle important, life-saving truths a little less ham-fistedly in his songs.
And stop gargling razors. Or whatever it is that he does to make his voice sound so ragged.
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2006, 05:26:58 AM » |
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Listening to the album again... it's hitting me even harder this time, the realization that this album would really kick ass if written and sung by just about anyone other than Scott Stapp. The music is really solid.
NP: "Hard Way", Scott Stapp Wait. Isn't the music just your standard meat-and-potatoes rock? That's the impression that I got from watching a performance on Ellen Degeneres. |
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