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For the curious (you know who you are), listen to the e-card here. The first two song clips are pretty decent. |
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2006, 03:21:25 PM » |
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The first two song clips are pretty decent. I, um, disagree. Just curious, what do you like about them? |
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2006, 07:39:57 PM » |
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The music is still zzzzzzzzzzz. The dude can sing when he's not going for the baritone-gravel scratching-guttural Scott stapp voice. If he just sang naturally, it would sound tolerable. Now they just need to learn how to write better songs and learn more than a couple power chords.
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2006, 09:30:12 PM » |
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To put an optimistic spin on this thread, I think that the new stuff is better than their old stuff.
That isn't saying much, but at least they're improving. Baby steps.
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2006, 12:39:22 AM » |
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Well, it took them 4 albums, but the first two songs on the album are "not bad." Of course that "Promise of a Lifetime" song just screams "We gotta get a song on KLOVE," and sounds like it would fit on Strong Tower. At least on 80s metal ballads the bands rarely sounded bored with their music. It seems like the two vocal cliches in 00s rock are Stapp (vocals to 11, no deviation, moaning), or brit-pop (bored mumbling and/or whining), and Kutless has tried to do both so far.
It's not a huge compliment I guess, but I think it's better than most of Thousand Foot Krutch's stuff.
From my understanding, it's basically lead singer guy and 4 brand new musicians now -- it that correct?
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2006, 05:06:06 AM » |
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Well, it took them 4 albums, but the first two songs on the album are "not bad." Well, when I ascertain that a song is "not good", I'm thinking that there's something "kind of bad" about it, and these are no exception. It's just more meat-and-potatoes neanderthal rock. It seems like the two vocal cliches in 00s rock are Stapp (vocals to 11, no deviation, moaning), or brit-pop (bored mumbling and/or whining), and Kutless has tried to do both so far. There's a few more than that. Just for one, the pop-punk sound is pretty popular, and that has vocals distinctive from either of these. There's also the monotone rap-rock thing - rapping with a complete lack of inflection. I don't think of "bored mumbling/whining" when I think of britpop, but maybe I've just been listening to the wrong bands. That genre's always been a bit unclear to me anyway, though, even if some of my favorite bands hail from there (from what I can tell, it's just a word for British alt rock). From my understanding, it's basically lead singer guy and 4 brand new musicians now -- it that correct? Replace the lead singer might work. Besides that, maybe holding a gun to his head and make demands. "Sing dammit!" |
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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2006, 01:14:22 AM » |
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I don't mind Jon Micah as a singer so much, when he's not trying to be "hard". Not that he's a major draw, either, but he's decent when he tries. The other guys were cardboard cutouts, so I don't really care that they've all been replaced. Might as well just rename the band at this point, though.
At least Kutless is back to trying to rock. That alone will make this a better album than Strong Tower.
Oh wait, here comes the ballad. Never mind, this one's gonna suck.
But maybe it'll get up to two stars. There's always hope.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2006, 01:26:10 PM » |
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I don't think it sounds any better than thier other stuff. About the same caliber as Sea of Faces, just plain dull and unimaginative.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2006, 09:47:17 PM » |
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I listened to the E-card recently. The good news is what I heard at least didn't annoy me that much. The bad news is that it didn't really impress me either. The music is so-so at best, and the lyrics still aren't very good. So overall, not an embarassment, but not too good either.
I'd still take Kutless over Building 429 or Stellar Kart any day.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2006, 11:50:52 PM » |
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I'd still take Kutless over Building 429 or Stellar Kart any day. Stellar Kart is that bad, eh? Perhaps I should give 'em a listen. |
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2006, 07:54:27 AM » |
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Stellar Kart is that bad, eh? Perhaps I should give 'em a listen. yeah...they do suck pretty bad. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2006, 05:48:22 PM » |
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I'd still take Kutless over Building 429 or Stellar Kart any day. B429 is terrible. I'd easily choose them as the worst rock band in Christian music over Kutless personally. I'm still willing to give the entirety of Hearts of the Innocent a listen once. I have a friend that loves Kutless so I know I'll be hearing it when it's released. |
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2006, 08:21:54 PM » |
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Stellar Kart is that bad, eh? Perhaps I should give 'em a listen. well when your 'popular' song has the awesomely intelligent chorus lyric of 'life is good, eternal life is better,' you tell me...  |
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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2006, 08:20:25 AM » |
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well when your 'popular' song has the awesomely intelligent chorus lyric of 'life is good, eternal life is better,' you tell me... indeed. the first time i heard that song (and it was also the last time i listened to it) i thought it was some kind of joke or parody of 'really bad CCM.' then i realized when it was over and the DJ didn't laugh his head off that it was being palmed off as a viable song in the rotation. for some reason i don't listen to the radio, (especially CCM radio) much at all anymore... |
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2006, 02:36:12 PM » |
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indeed. the first time i heard that song (and it was also the last time i listened to it) i thought it was some kind of joke or parody of 'really bad CCM.' then i realized when it was over and the DJ didn't laugh his head off that it was being palmed off as a viable song in the rotation.
for some reason i don't listen to the radio, (especially CCM radio) much at all anymore... and sadly, i know two or three Christian teenagers (fortunately not within MY youth group, those in my yg who saw them as an opening act at a concert we saw last year saw the CHEEEEEEEEEESE factor, thankfullY) who really like it and have it's lyrics, or the song itself, on their xangas... |
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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2006, 02:40:06 PM » |
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and sadly, i know two or three Christian teenagers (fortunately not within MY youth group, those in my yg who saw them as an opening act at a concert we saw last year saw the CHEEEEEEEEEESE factor, thankfullY) who really like it and have it's lyrics, or the song itself, on their xangas... I'm starting to think that the world is just plain smaller when you're a teenager. You generally just don't realize how much the same thing has been said and done over and over and over, so it's very easy to see something horrible cliche as uniquely applicable to you, as if nobody else ever thought the same thing. That kind of enables stoopid lyrics to seem really, really deep. Not to totally excuse that, of course - I'm just pointing it out. I think it's a bi-product of our feel-good consumer culture, where everything exists just to make you feel warm and fuzzy, or, if you're a dejected, cynical, and nihilistic teen, then it exists to identify with your dejected cynical nihilism, which is of course an original and healthy response to the world around you. NP: "Hero", Daily Planet |
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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2006, 04:43:08 PM » |
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2006, 04:48:23 PM » |
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Yeah - I've had a smart teenager in class that said that lyrics are pretty forgettable and dumb to him, except for "Last Resort" by Papa Roach. I didn't snigger, but I felt like it.
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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2006, 04:49:53 PM » |
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But this isn't just a teenager thing; it amazes me how dumb in general people are. And, in the immortal words of writer Theodore Sturgeon, "Ninety percent of everything is crap." Bad taste is always in style. You're right; it's not restricted to any particular age. Though I would actually hold teenagers less culpable for this sort of thing, because (a) products are often marketed to them as if they're stupid, and (b) they are still developing and learning about the world in many ways. When adults are acting like this, it makes me really mad. Teenagers can be annoying, but it's a little more excusable (and they can actually be reached more easily in some cases, their minds being less set in their ways at that point). |
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2006, 07:03:42 PM » |
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Here's the "Special Edition" cover, designed by yours truly:  |
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2006, 05:06:55 PM » |
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AAAH! That's hilarious.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2006, 08:10:07 PM » |
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Wow...that's awesomely funny. I love the 'Vague Movie Tie-Ins' and "Rap" Breaks...rofl...
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2006, 08:23:22 PM » |
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at this point, i'd put the new Building 429 above the new Kutless...
peace... love... bdg...
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2006, 12:45:54 AM » |
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My choices are Building 429 or Kutless? Ouch.
Well, I've yet to hear a B429 song that I like, and at least Kutless has "Treason" and a decent cover of "It Came Upon a Midnight Clear." I've also heard the new Kutless album, and I still couldn't decide.
On the upside, as others have said, it is better. You can put the album on a CD mixer with Building 429 and Casting Crowns and figure out which one is Kutless.
There are at least two good songs, which is a step up from one good song (Sea of Faces), and a few not-terrible songs (Strong Tower). They get in a solo or two, ditch some power chords, and even allow some decent drumming. Even better, the Creed copying are all but gone.
On the other hand, they still scream for no reason. (..let labelmates Showbeard do the screaming. They're better at it.) They take a rap break with some rather weak lyrics. Instead of copying Creed, it sounds like they're copying Velvet Revolver. The ballads are plentiful and downright boring.
So, it's a step up from Strong Tower, and a minor step up from Sea of Faces.
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2006, 08:25:16 PM » |
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I'd rather listen to absolutely nothing than subject myself to the musical humiliation and unintelligence that is Kutless and Building 429 (oh yeah, and KJ-52 while we're at it)
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« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2006, 07:19:28 AM » |
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(oh yeah, and KJ-52 while we're at it) Was he the one who wrote the song to Eminem in a sad and pathetic attempt at publicity with the thin veil of "evangelism" over it? |
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2006, 05:03:49 PM » |
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Was he the one who wrote the song to Eminem in a sad and pathetic attempt at publicity with the thin veil of "evangelism" over it? Ding! |
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I hate that KJ is the face of Christian Rapper's... <_< know what's even more saddening? His remix album drops the same day as Mars Ill's Pro Pain. :angry: |
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« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2006, 12:52:23 AM » |
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Small question: does anyone else here think that the beginning of "Somewhere in the Sky" sounds ..ahem... rather reminiscent of "Across Waters Again" by Blindside? Or am I imagining things?
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« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2006, 07:58:38 AM » |
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Small question: does anyone else here think that the beginning of "Somewhere in the Sky" sounds ..ahem... rather reminiscent of "Across Waters Again" by Blindside? Or am I imagining things? I see some resemblence there. The melody is noticably different, though. And it's not exact. So I don't know if I'd accuse them of ripping off Blindside. But it is too close for my likeing. |
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« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2006, 01:17:14 PM » |
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I'm mainly talking about the opening riff and all the references to "Learning how to fly," not so much the melody.
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« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2006, 06:17:38 PM » |
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I'm mainly talking about the opening riff and all the references to "Learning how to fly," not so much the melody. I figured, I was just noting the differing melodies. |
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« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2006, 12:29:42 AM » |
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"Kay Jay Five Two" is an even dumber name than Kutless, I think.
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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2006, 07:13:13 AM » |
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"Kay Jay Five Two" is an even dumber name than Kutless, I think. Where does the name Kutless come from anyway? It strikes me as a goofy Christianese pun waiting to happen... |
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« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2006, 07:15:34 AM » |
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Where does the name Kutless come from anyway? It strikes me as a goofy Christianese pun waiting to happen... As far as I understand, it was because Christ was cut for us so we are "cut-less". Which makes me want to barf just typing it. |
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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2006, 07:17:24 AM » |
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As far as I understand, it was because Christ was cut for us so we are "cut-less". Don't you mean Christ was kut for us so we are "kut-less"? |
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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2006, 07:33:12 AM » |
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Don't you mean Christ was kut for us so we are "kut-less"? Yeah, but my dignity won't let me mispell when I don't have to. |
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2006, 12:58:01 PM » |
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As far as I understand, it was because Christ was cut for us so we are "cut-less".
Which makes me want to barf just typing it. Funny how whenever I pointed that out at CMC, I got bashed for trivializing the name of Christ. Hey, don't shoot the messenger! |
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