Hardcore/Metal

[JupiterCrash17]

Since I've been here at the phorum, I"ve noticed that most of you here tend to have a preference of "lighter" type music ala u2, radiohead, etc., which is great (it's not common these days for many people to have such good tastes in music  which brings me to my question: Does anyone hear enjoy or appreciate metal or hardcore music? Not neccessarily the typical 80s metal such as metallica or megadeath, but more along the lines of In Flames, At the Gates, Children of Bodom, and darkest hour just to name a few. I tend to find those swedish/prog bands to be quite the definition of metal as I prefer it.  As far as hardcore goes, Converge, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Norma Jean, and Hopesfall are all good bands of the genre. I'm not a big fan of the scene in general (mainly because it's mostly incoherent noise and feedback) but bands like these are very good at what they do. Anyway, just wondering if I'm not the only one here to like this stuff...

[oneafroboy]

If you mean they are very good at making noise, then you're absolutely right. And that's what they enjoy doing. Making noise. I personally don't like it, but that's just a personal thing...

[Josh]

Eh, no, not really. I enjoy Tool's Lateralus record, but that's the only one I can think of right now...

[DvChWi]

I've been meaning to check out Tool and Chevelle, but the genre doesn't appeal to me that much.  I'm not sure why, exactly. I think it partially has to do with the fact the I like compexity in the sound of my music, and while metal has this, its hard to hear, for me.  It kinda blends together.

[RokrantheGreat]

Does Linkin Park count? Or are they too "poppy"?  

[Skrappybiskit]

I like a small bit of hardcore... I have some stuff by Demon Hunter, Zao, Dead Poetic, Tool, etc.

Noise is fun

Skraps

[bloop]

I like those kinds of things alright, but I can't say it's a style I know quite as well.  Therion and Tool are good.  Just by the bands you named, however, I can tell that you know the genre much better than I do.

[DvChWi]

Does Linkin Park count? Or are they too "poppy"?

I don't think they are consided hardcore at all.  Am I correct in my understanding that hardcore is really "hard", very noisy, loud, not at all poppy type stuff?  Like Tool and such?

[Skrappybiskit]

Well if you listen to Lateralus, Tool isn't that at all.

But yes, harcore is heavy, screamy, loud, in-your-face-smash-your-head-on-the-floor-and-get-this-party-going stuff....

Oh for the help of Mike S aka Celldweller7...

Skraps

[bloop]

Well if you listen to Lateralus, Tool isn't that at all.

But yes, harcore is heavy, screamy, loud, in-your-face-smash-your-head-on-the-floor-and-get-this-party-going stuff....

Oh for the help of Mike S aka Celldweller7...

Skraps

I was referring to "Aenima", but "Lateralis" is a whole lot harder than U2.

[Masta_K]

one point. music consists of 3 parts: rhythm, harmony, and melody. when one is absent, it is not music.

one more point. dissonance also cancels the musicality of the work. thus, some "music" is dishonoring to God. those which rape it of His intention.  

[bloop]

um, why is there now a moral absolute against dissonance?

[Skrappybiskit]

From which air did you pull these musical must-haves? Where do the scriptures say what God's intention is for music? As nice as these musical conventions are, they're merely conventions.

Skraps

[JupiterCrash17]

one point. music consists of 3 parts: rhythm, harmony, and melody. when one is absent, it is not music.

one more point. dissonance also cancels the musicality of the work. thus, some "music" is dishonoring to God. those which rape it of His intention.

and whose to say that metal and hardcore music do not meet this criteria (which i don't agree with neccessarily). Some hardcore music for example, is very complex in its rythmic structure, and despite the fact that's it might not be ear appealing melody wise, there is harmony and melody regardless. obviously making statements such as that shows that you haven't heard much of that particular type of music. metal included...tool has amazingly complex rhythm, time signature changes, maynard's voice is amazing (he has a great sense of melody for metal). i guess it just boils down to preferences, which can be a good thing, but it's not cool to totally dismiss a certain type of music just because you don't like it.

[Masta_K]

just what sprung to my mind from reading a music debate. sorry to be out of place.  

[DvChWi]

Since I've been here at the phorum, I"ve noticed that most of you here tend to have a preference of "lighter" type music ala u2, radiohead, etc., which is great (it's not common these days for many people to have such good tastes in music

I've been wondering why this is, that most of us here have a preference towards lighter music.  Any theories?  I haven't heard any really hard music that I've liked much at all.  I'm thinking of buying Lateralus, just to give metal a good try.

[RokrantheGreat]

I'm not prejudiced (sp?) towards soft music! Never even really heard any metal, tho. LP's as loud as I've  into so far. Someone give me some suggestions in metal and I'll check them out.

[DvChWi]

Hmm, I'm looking at Lateralus and I see that there is a "clean" edition.  My understanding was that "bastard" was the strongest word used in the album, though Plugged In said there was one F-word.  Whats up?

[Skrappybiskit]

I dunno. The copy I have seems to be entirely clean, although remarkably wierd. It's hard to figure out whether those guys are actually serious about their meditaion/satanism fusion, but I have to say that Lateralus has one the coolest album jackets ever

Skrap

ps: do yall find it disturbing how I always answer the question and then run off into left field and talk about something else? Wierd.

[Skrappybiskit]

Oh and one thing more: if you want a taste of metal, Lateralus isn't the place to start. It's actually quite soft. Not as soft as U2 (who I still don't like), but soft compared to, say, Living Sacrifice.

Skraps

[Josh]

One song, "Ticks and Leeches," drops the f-bomb, but the song repeats the word "sucking" so much that it can be hard to tell when they switch over to "fucking."  =)  

[RokrantheGreat]

One song, "Ticks and Leeches," drops the f-bomb, but the song repeats the word "sucking" so much that it can be hard to tell when they switch over to "fucking."  =)

You know, Josh, that cute, fuzzy little avatar of yours just doesn't look right next to a post with the f-word (should it be the ph- word? ) in it. Please don't do that again, or my parents may see it and kick me off the phorum.