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« on: September 02, 2003, 06:05:50 PM » |
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I'm curious: Outside of song lyrics, does anyone here read poetry?
I must confess that I rarely do, though I own Kevin Max's first book of poetry and enjoy it.
So, any poetry readers? Favorite poets, perhaps?
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2003, 07:03:54 PM » |
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I don't actively seek out poetry, but I have been known to covertly enjoy it.
Some faves:
'The Unknown Citizen' - W.H. Auden
'The Wayfarer' - Stephen Crane
'The Man He Killed' - Thomas Hardy
'Ozymandias' - P.B. Shelley
'Kubla Kahn' - Samuel Coleridge
'Ulalume' and 'The Conqueror Worm' - E.A. Poe
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2003, 08:05:34 PM » |
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Hee...song lyrics=poetry? Maybe.
I dunno, I always feel that song lyrics usually need the music to truly fly. True pure poetry stands well enough on its own. That doesn't mean that there aren't lyrics that aren't poems too. Some of Bono's stuff is poetry (just as an example, and there are many others). And it's not a dig at song lyrics. They just exist in two different "arenas" as it were.
I love Langston Hughes. The man was amazing. Walt Whitman is cool too. I really enjoy Emily Dickinson. e.e.cummings is a favorite of mine because he messes with words, and type, and such. Shel Silverstein is very imaginative and emotive. Good stuff.
Poetry is wonderful, and I think it's a shame our culture has lost a love for good solid poetry. I think reading poetry (not just song lyrics) makes one a better writer (reading in general will do that). I really enjoy it.
Hope you find some poetry you can sink your teeth into, Josh.
--the Afro
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2003, 08:31:51 PM » |
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Hee...song lyrics=poetry? Maybe.
Sure, some songs (Radiohead's work comes to mind) is best when heard on CD, but most of the bands that I listen to have lyrics that stand on their own as poetry perfectly well. Go read the lyrics to some of these songs... poems...: U2- "Running to Stand Still," "Love is Blindness" Over the Rhine- "Long Lost Brother," "The World Can Wait," "Latter Days," "Faithfully Dangerous" Lenord Cohen- "Hallelujah" Sam Phillips- "Five Colors" The Innocence Mission- "Lakes of Canada," "Where Does the Time Go?" Peter Gabriel- "Mercy Street" |
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2003, 08:45:48 PM » |
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I realize that. I in fact did mention Bono... As I said, I think in general though, "pure poetry" (ie. poetry not written to be put to music) is meant to stand on its own and does a better job.
I also think that pure poetry is more versatile than lyrics, generally speaking. Like, it's kind of hard to find lyrics that are similar to some of e.e. cummings stuff. But they serve separate purposes. And it's not a dig at lyrics. I just think lyrics are limited, and reading poetry expands one's lyrical horizons. A healthy dosage of both is best. (In other words, I agree; I know a lot of stuff you listen to is poetic, but poetry that's simply meant to be read has it's own beauty in magic.) Happy poetry hunting.
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2003, 01:09:29 PM » |
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Many songs would make crappy poems, and many poems would make crappy songs. But both can be enjoyed in themselves without being compromised because of their unsuitablilty for use in the other format. So it's not really a dig at lyrics to say that (in general) they aren't the same as poetry. It's like blaming a book because it would make a bad movie. It's NOT a movie, it's a book.
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2003, 03:23:21 PM » |
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i like poetry.
i read some and i've even been known to write some halfway decent lines...
carl sandburg, e e cummings, wilfred owen, jack leax, w h auden . . . you get the idea . . .
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2003, 04:17:02 PM » |
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For some reason, I have never been able to get into poetry, except for song lyrics, if you count those. I'm not sure why, but it just has never appealed to me. Maybe I need to find better poets to read, but I believe I have been exposed to the full spectrum of classic poets, so I don't know what I could be missing.
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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2003, 04:18:35 PM » |
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I don't actively look for poetry to read but over the years I have come across poems and rhymes that I have liked and a line or a phrase stuck with me and I wanted to read it again and again. off the top of my head, I have liked stuff by Donne, Milton, Bonhoeffer, Rupert Brooke, Robert Frost, Robert Burns, Sara Teasdale, George MacDonald, Lewis Carroll, Tennyson, and various others I can't think of now.
I used to keep a binder of poems and stuff that I copied from various books I read. I don't have it at hand right now or I'd look up some more stuff and list them. I have an Oxford Book of Christian Verse or something like that but can't find it anywhere and have been wanting to look up a few poems that have lines that have stuck in my head and I can't find anywhere else.
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2003, 12:36:11 PM » |
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I don't actively seek out poetry, but I have been known to covertly enjoy it-- Vlad! yeah, same here, which is HORRIBLE seeing as i'm an english major, oh well. i should be pouring through Carl Sandburg and Emily Dickenson constantly, but i don't. i have enjoyed poems and authors i've studied in classes, especially william carlos wiliams, e. e. cummings, emily dickenson, walt whitman, to name a few. also, alice walker (the color purple) has written some interesting poetry as well. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2003, 01:29:14 PM » |
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I'm going to be an English major, too! Hooray!
Er, yeah.
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2003, 03:58:39 PM » |
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i should be pouring through Carl Sandburg and Emily Dickenson constantly, but i don't. An English major should know that pouring and poring are two different things. If you're pouring through them, you're going to get them wet! Just kidding. I didn't know you were an English major. Josh, I also didn't know that you had plans in that direction. That's cool. |
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2003, 07:08:50 PM » |
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Josh, I also didn't know that you had plans in that direction. That's cool.
Well, I'm deciding between three career paths in life: Writing Teaching Becoming a pastor English seems the best candidate for major, as it would help in all three of these areas. =) |
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2003, 08:25:59 PM » |
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I'm going to be an English major, too! Hooray!
Er, yeah. Ah! Squishy subject major! Run!  Thats cool that you want to do that, but I don't think I ever could. Not a precise enough of a subject for me. I do like those career choices., though, and think you have potential in them, from what I can tell from reading you here, anyways |
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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2003, 08:36:07 PM » |
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Thanks, Dv. I've had all kinds of uncertainties about my major and career choices, so it's good to hear that perhaps I'm on the right track here.
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2003, 08:42:29 PM » |
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Thanks, Dv. I've had all kinds of uncertainties about my major and career choices, so it's good to hear that perhaps I'm on the right track here. Well, please don't base your life choices off some guy at a web-boards opinion. |
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2003, 10:45:14 PM » |
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English Majors Unite! =D
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2003, 07:35:48 AM » |
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It's the self-perpetuating cycle of English majors! Since the only useful job one can get as an English major is an English teacher, then you serve to spawn more English majors who will then become English teachers. Scary!
And before the inordinate number of English majors we have here rise up and stone me, I'm kidding. I'm sure there's plenty of other luxurious, high-paying jobs out there for English majors. So don't hurt me.
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2003, 08:38:53 AM » |
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My degrees in English and Writing landed me this job in web development and database engineering . . .
in fact, i only took one computer class in college and that was a survey class covering the MS Office Suite at the time . . .
how's that for life travels taking strange twists . . .
anyway, the point of a degree these days is just to have a degree . . .
related fields are overrated .. .
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2003, 09:17:44 AM » |
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anyway, the point of a degree these days is just to have a degree . . . You're right, sometimes it feels that way. I'm impressed that you managed to make that leap, though; not a whole lot of people I know (English majors or no) could make that kind of switch. Heck, most of the people in my major (Computer Science) couldn't become an English teacher if it were necessary (many of them can't even write coherently  ) |
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2003, 09:56:21 AM » |
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well . . .
i was always stronger in math than in english during high school . . .
(i actually turned down scholarships to some of better colleges that i had received based on my SATs) . . .
though, i attributed it mostly to laziness . . .
and when you've got a mind for math you can do well with it . . .
and still be lazy . . .
you actually have to be fully engaged to keep up with English . . .
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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2003, 01:26:12 PM » |
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I agree, the whole major-related fields thing is overrated. What often matters is experience and your graduate degree.
And English major isn't as limiting as it sounds. My friend, who is in my grammar class, is going to Law school. In medical school, 40% of the students accepted are humanities majors. My mom, who's a doctor and works with residents, has a residency student who was an English major. Besides teaching, you go into advertising, social fields, and other sorts of things. Perhaps not as versatile as a Math major, but I think you should do what you like. And I like English. So that's what I'm doing. Even if I only end up in an broken down apartment with 25 papers to grade before school the next day...
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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2003, 02:34:56 PM » |
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I like English, too, and simply CANNOT understand math AT ALL, so what else am I going to do? =)
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2003, 05:43:23 PM » |
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I like English, too, and simply CANNOT understand math AT ALL, so what else am I going to do? =) Well, there's: Life sciences Social sciences/social work Business Religion Just as a list. But English isn't bad. |
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2003, 06:07:23 PM » |
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Of those four, Life Sciences and Business would both require at least some degree of mathematical know-how, so scratch those off the list. =)
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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2003, 06:15:56 PM » |
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Maybe you could become a preacher and write on the side, because I'm told they do a lot of that. Maybe as well you could be a teacher/preacher who writes on the side? That would be cool....  Skraps ps: I was going to go to Brock in Ontario for English/Social crap to become a teacher once upon a time, but that never really panned out. |
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2003, 10:05:46 AM » |
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Of those four, Life Sciences and Business would both require at least some degree of mathematical know-how, so scratch those off the list. =) Well, come on! You're going to have to use SOME math no matter what you do. I mean, those grades don't average themselves! But the thing is (and unlike school, which is about as far from the real world as you can get), you are allowed to use a calculator. And especially in business the math in those two areas is generally pretty benign. Unless you go into economics, but even then I don't think it's beyond you. |
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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2003, 09:42:23 PM » |
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Yes, all those fields mentioned above would take a little math, but it would be arithmatic, really. Surely you have that down. So, don't limit yourself because of the math thing.
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2003, 09:54:27 PM » |
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Not that I'm trying to prod you towards anything, but just making an observation: Your computer knowledge would serve you well in a business major. BIT (Businees Information Technology) is a popular major for people who like computers but don't want to become a coder or who can't handle the intense math requirements of Computer Science. And, frankly, you're more likely to get ahead. I'm perfectly OK with sitting in an office plunking at a keyboard all day, but the BIT majors are the ones who climb the ladder and tell the coders what to write |
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« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2003, 09:34:56 AM » |
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Thanks, Vlad! I'll look into that, as I'm not familiar with it at all...
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« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2003, 09:38:53 PM » |
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A thousand BIT-related sites out there and not one of them really tells what one with such a major actually DOES. *grumble grumble*
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« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2003, 10:00:45 PM » |
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Well, it's sort of a mixed bag. Think of someone with most of the savvy of a business major but with enough technical knowledge to make it in an increasingly computerized world. If I were more outgoing or ambitious, I'd be BIT.
My Discrete Math professor said this today: if you want to rule the world, you have to be the one who makes the decisions, not the one who acts them out. If you're not quick on your feet, you'tt end up following the decisions of others. Once you follow nobody's decisions and everybody follows yours, you rule the world.
Interesting words..
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2003, 10:22:18 PM » |
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Apparently I rule the world!
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« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2003, 09:38:13 AM » |
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Apparently I rule the world!
Skraps Sorry, pal, but I don't follow your decisions. Try again. |
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« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2003, 09:45:48 AM » |
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Darnit. Well at least it was a happy illusion, sor of like the one that tells you that an English major is actually usefull Skraps |
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« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2003, 10:48:11 AM » |
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Darnit. Well at least it was a happy illusion, sor of like the one that tells you that an English major is actually usefull Skraps Heehee The Computer Science department here at VT moved to the Engineering college, while before it was in the College of Arts and Sciences, which is now split into the college of arts and the college of sciences. While we were in the CAS, we used to call majors like Philosophy and English the 'waitress' majors, since that or teacher are pretty much your job options if you take that major |
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