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« on: April 08, 2008, 05:28:22 PM » |
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Ok, interesting discussion with Mum and Dad this morning, cos I mean, that's what everyone talks about at six am.
Basic gist of it was, we were talking about the authenticity of the Bible, and how it's been proved true, even in statements that don't appear to make sense. Dad's example was that he'd never understood how Jesus could have been in the tomb three days when he was buried Friday night and resurrected Sunday morning, until he understood Hebrew traditions better and understood that a Jewish day begins at sunset.
My mum said that he was trying to fit the scripture to a pagan festival (Easter), and the probably it was Monday when the resurrection came, because there was a prophecy that he would be like Jonah, three days and nights in the tomb. Well. I never heard that prophecy. I've heard the Jonah bit, and the three days, but I never heard anything about three nights.
In the Gospel accounts the last supper, the arrest, the trial and the crucifixion all occurred on Preparation Day, the first day of Passover and the day that the Passover Lamb must be killed. He was buried that day, before sunset and the beginning of the Sabbath and Passover day. Nothing happened on the Saturday, it was the Sabbath and they rested according to the Law. Early the next day, on the first day of the week before sunrise they women went to the tomb and found it empty. In the Hebrew calender the first day of the week is equivalent to our Sunday.
Anyway, has anyone heard of three nights, where that is, and how it could possibly fit?
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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2008, 05:39:20 PM » |
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Matthew 12:38-40:
Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, "Teacher, we want to see a miraculous sign from you." He answered, "A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2008, 06:10:21 PM » |
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That's the one. But I just never caught the nights. I still don't really see how that fits though..
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2008, 09:25:17 PM » |
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Your honor, the witness' testimony clearly contradicts the evidence.
Historically I believe there are two plausible explanations.
* Jesus was actually crucified on Wednesday, thus (as he rose Saturday evening/night) stayed a literal 72 hours in the grave.
* The day/night thing was a colloquialism or hyperbole. Note that most Biblical accounts say he would rise "on the third day"; however, if he was buried for three nights, he would rise on the fourth day. There is fairly weak evidence that this grammatical construct was in semi-common usage, and that it would be understood that Jesus was not necessarily saying that he would be buried for a literal 72 hours, but rather for three days of indeterminate length.
After all, Matthew wrote both the words quoted above and a version of the resurrection account, and didn't seem to find any problem with it. So either it is a contradiction and he just let it slide, or it's not a contradiction and he figured everyone reading it would understand that.
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2008, 01:56:16 AM » |
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Checkmate. Still confused, but I mean, if its there, its there. Can't really say a whole lot in reply, can you  |
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2008, 11:52:33 AM » |
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I've read several explanations for the Wednesday thing. basically the idea is that the Jews had other Sabbaths that were holy days in addition to the usual weekly Sabbath. here are a couple pages that I found quickly and skimmed and thought they seem pretty balanced. (I found a few others that are just promoting one view.) http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter6.htmhttp://www.gotquestions.org/three-days.htmldunno if that helps or confuses more though. |
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2008, 05:48:24 PM » |
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Hm. Never even thought of that. When I read Sabbath, I tend to read Shabbat, or Yom Shabbat, the Saturday. Passover could easily be a different day. I'll ask Allissa. Edit: Oh right, Allissa was my Hebrew teacher, she is a Messianic Jew who now lives in Israel.  |
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2008, 06:10:43 PM » |
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I hadn't realized that the other sorts of Sabbaths have names till I looked this stuff up just now. the one prior to Passover is called Shabbat HaGadol. |
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2008, 06:22:12 PM » |
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I didn't know that one. I know a few of the holidays and even their hebrew names, meanings and recipies. But our lessons ended far too soon. I love the Hebrew culture and wish I knew more. I had Hebrew lessons for months, but I can remember almost none. I wish I had a better memory  |
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