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I'm not sure if there are any hard rock fans here or not, but I would like some suggestions on what any of you may like. When I say 'hard rock' I'm really generalizing...really I mean anything that is hard core, or Punk etc.
I go though stages with music. I like tones of different genre's and just came out of a folk/alt-country phase, and borrowed a friends 'Pennywise' CD (they're punk) and remembered how much I missed listening to them, which has now sparked a 'hard rock reawakening' I guess you could say. I don't listen to Christian music much at all but I do like 'mewithoutyou' very much. I've been out of the loop for a while so any suggestions would be nice.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2008, 04:12:10 PM » |
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Thin Lizzy
The Clash
The Replacements
Green Day
Foxboro Hot Tubs
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2008, 04:21:17 PM » |
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I love 'the clash'!!
I have not heard thin Lizzy (though have heard 'of' them) I will check them out.
I find Green Day a little too...mainstream? I don't know, I like what they have to say, but I don't care for the music for some reason.
The other 2 I have not heard of, but I will look for them too. Thanks!
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2008, 05:44:50 PM » |
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Punk (loosely - no one seems to agree on what makes "real" punk):
The Transplants - self titled
Iggy Pop and the Stooges - Raw Power
The Clash - London Calling
Other harder rock:
Scarlet - This Was Always Meant to Fall Apart
At The Drive-In -Relationship of Command
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2008, 08:05:04 PM » |
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Project 86
Blindside
and I echo what Josh said.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2008, 08:54:03 PM » |
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I can't stand Green Day.
I assume that you're already aware of the more popular bands like Metallica, Led Zeppelin, Van Halen, Motley Crue, etc.
I really enjoy Dream Theater. They're generally classified as progressive metal, so I don't know how they fall on your 'hardcore' scale.
I also like
Shonen Knife
Ayreon
Opeth
Symphony X
Queensrÿche is also pretty OK.
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2008, 09:57:00 PM » |
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2008, 01:23:19 PM » |
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It's difficult to define "hard" rock. There are a lot of bands I like that make a lot of noise, but I generally don't consider it to be "hard" rock unless the vocals have a fair amount of screaming or shouting, the guitars are doing more screechy/dissonant stuff, or just in general the sound of it is more abrasive than what you'd expect from more "poppy" flavors of rock. That said, it is possible for a band to be both abrasive and extremely poppy at the same time (see Skillet and Linkin Park). So it's a matter of personal definition.
Anyway, while I am by no means a connoisseur of the genre, here are some of my favorite "hard" rock records:
Tool - Lateralus
Thrice - Vhiessu and The Alchemy Index, Vol. I: Fire (the entire Alchemy series is pretty sweet, but only the first volume is consistently "hard")
Skillet - Collide (I like all of Skillet's albums to some degree, but this is by far their heaviest and best musically)
Blindisde - About a Burning Fire
Dream Theater - Octavarium, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and Train of Thought (the latter being the heaviest)
He Is Legend - I Am Hollywood
P.O.D. - Satellite
Aleixa - Disfigured (probably the most out-there entry on the list... techno/industrial with heavy guitars and chirpy female vocals)
Beanbag - Freesignal
Alter Bridge - Blackbird (yeah, I know, people can't get over the Creed thing, but there's some solid musicianship here)
I wanted to put some Anberlin records on that list, but they're borderline, so I'm not sure. But Cities is friggin' awesome, whatever kind of rock it is. And despite the amount of critical reaming I got for it, I still enjoy Linkin Park's first two albums, but again... they're borderline.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2008, 01:57:39 PM » |
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Not sure how hard you want, but here are some of the more rowdy albums/songs that I've enjoyed in the past few years that haven't been named yet. Underoath is pushing it; the album below is a little lighter on the screaming.
As Cities Burn - Come Now, Sleep
Children 18:3 - Children 18:3
Disciple - "Regime Change" (yes, just that song)
Emery - I'm Only a Man
Flyleaf - Flyleaf
mewithoutYou - Brother, Sister
Project 86 - Rival Factions
Secret and Whisper - "XOXOXO" and "Great White Whale"
Underoath - They're Only Chasing Safety
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2008, 02:10:16 PM » |
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WOW!!!
Thank-you Thank-you
I will have tones to check out now!!!
I have had several people tell me that I would like Tool, but as yet I have not listened to them...I will now!
I have a couple Underoath CD's, bean bag and Project86. of those I like Project86 the best but I also like the others. I can't even say what it is that draws me to some heavier music and what I don't like. I just know it when I hear it, so I just try to listen to alot, then pick and choose.
I love mewithoutyou - catch for us the foxes slightly better than Brother Sister, but I do like both.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2008, 02:13:46 PM » |
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I have had several people tell me that I would like Tool, but as yet I have not listened to them...I will now! Just proceed with caution if you go beyond the one album I recommended. Lateralus is amazing, and there is some pretty solid musicianship throughout their other albums as well... but some of the lyrics on 10,000 Days and especially Aenima are more than a bit offensive. |
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2008, 02:29:38 PM » |
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Just proceed with caution if you go beyond the one album I recommended. Lateralus is amazing, and there is some pretty solid musicianship throughout their other albums as well... but some of the lyrics on 10,000 Days and especially Aenima are more than a bit offensive.
Thanks for the Caution. I just ordered Lateralus. I find this with alot of heavier (secular) music. Sometimes I find it offensive and sometimes I find it applicable to my life. When I will be offended usually depends on the day! LOL I have a NiN CD that I like, but some of the songs really offend me, sometimes they don't...but I'm moody like that too!  |
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2008, 02:38:45 PM » |
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I have a NiN CD that I like, but some of the songs really offend me, sometimes they don't...but I'm moody like that too! Maybe it's the tender ballad, "Closer" that offends you? |
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2008, 03:28:50 PM » |
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my favorite stuff that loosely falls into that category includes Blindside, Flyleaf, Project86, MxPx (punk, not really hard rock, but someone mentioned Green Day so i thought MxPx deserved a little love), Skillet, MeWithoutYou (although i really don't consider them 'hard,' just very different, but they were mentioned above), some of Demon Hunter, Flatfoot 56 (celtic punk in the vein of Flogging Molly), Thrice, Project86. i realize most of those were mentioned already, i'm just throwing in secondary plugs for them as well.  |
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2008, 07:34:48 PM » |
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Porcupine Tree
I'm not much of a Porcupine Tree fan. They have some good stuff, but most of their work is solidly in the mediocre category, and some veers into just plain bad. MxPx is more tolerable than Green Day. ajyouthguy, I'll have to give Flatfoot 56 a listen, since I like a lot of the stuff Flogging Molly has done. Dropkick Murphys is another band in that same approximate vein. |
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2008, 09:46:16 PM » |
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Deadwing by Porcupine Tree is just great. In Absentia is good too. Most people say that Lightbulb Sun and Stupid Dream are their best, but I haven't actually listened to them yet. But yeah, I'm not sure which album you listened to, but if it's something other than those maybe you should give them another try.
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2008, 07:39:34 AM » |
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Interestingly (to me), Porcupine Tree has a lot of variation at the album level. Although they have several weak albums, even their decent ones (such as Metanoia) have some monumental whiffs. A lot of their stuff is trippier than I care for (the drugs probably don't help; Up the Downstair seems like it's basically a tribute to LSD-induced hallucinations), and in general their music sounds like a bunch of talented druggies tooling around in the studio rather than seriously dedicated to producing a brilliant album.
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2008, 01:11:03 PM » |
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Maybe it's the tender ballad, "Closer" that offends you?
They have several songs that are similar to that one...I can't remember the title of the song I'm thinking about, but he's mocking a guy who is abusing women. I realize that the point of the song is that it's suposed to be offensive...well, it works! LOL |
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2008, 10:24:20 AM » |
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Maybe it's the tender ballad, "Closer" that offends you?
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2008, 08:11:36 PM » |
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their music sounds like a bunch of talented druggies tooling around in the studio rather than seriously dedicated to producing a brilliant album.
I don't think that's fair at all. Their music is very well put together, their albums generally work cohesively as a whole and are composed of both solid to very good songwriting and instrumentation. Again, I've only heard their 3 most recent, so maybe we're talking about a completely different set of albums, but I think you need to give them more credit. |
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2008, 08:25:34 PM » |
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I picked up a thin lizzy CD (aside: I work at a library, so I have access to alot of CD's but not always the ones I want). The CD is a 'best of' kind of CD and I like it. (I'm not a reviewer...so I won't try) It wasn't as 'heavy' as what I normally like, but the guitar was WONDERFUL, and his voice is great too, kind of scratchy (I like that kind of thing) |
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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2008, 10:57:12 AM » |
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Dream Theater - Octavarium, Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and Train of Thought (the latter being the heaviest)
I meant to mention this earlier--I would recommend a lot of their earlier stuff as well. Images & Words is solid gold, and Scenes from a Memory, while a concept album, is also pretty sweet (I have nothing against concept albums, but they sometimes take a bit more effort to get into). Speaking of concept albums, Ayreon's The Universal Migrator (The Dream Sequencer/Flight of the Migrator) is fan-freaking-tastic, and Queensrÿche's Operation Mindcrime has some good stuff. I don't think that's fair at all. Their music is very well put together, their albums generally work cohesively as a whole and are composed of both solid to very good songwriting and instrumentation. Again, I've only heard their 3 most recent, so maybe we're talking about a completely different set of albums, but I think you need to give them more credit.
Well, I admit that a lot of their stuff I've heard has been live, and I don't think I've heard much of their recent stuff. I'm not saying they're bad, and they have some good tracks, but no one album of theirs that I've heard is as recommendable as the stuff I've listed. But don't be offended if I don't like your pet band; there are many people here at the Phorum who know what they're talking about musically, but I'm not one of them. |
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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2008, 11:03:00 AM » |
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I picked up a thin lizzy CD (aside: I work at a library, so I have access to alot of CD's but not always the ones I want). The CD is a 'best of' kind of CD and I like it. (I'm not a reviewer...so I won't try) It wasn't as 'heavy' as what I normally like, but the guitar was WONDERFUL, and his voice is great too, kind of scratchy (I like that kind of thing) The Who aren't really heavy in the sense you're thinking of, but I think you'd really like them...start with Who's Next and Quadrophenia. |
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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2008, 01:42:50 PM » |
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I meant to mention this earlier--I would recommend a lot of their earlier stuff as well. Images & Words is solid gold, and Scenes from a Memory, while a concept album, is also pretty sweet (I have nothing against concept albums, but they sometimes take a bit more effort to get into). Yeah, what he said. Don't take my omission of Dream Theater's earlier stuff as a non-recommendation. I just haven't heard anything of theirs from before 2002 yet. But between me and Vlad!, I think we've got there entire discography covered. And I definitely do not recommend their latest album, Systematic Chaos. That one was embarrassing. |
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« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2008, 02:59:44 PM » |
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He did seem to get rather prickly over it all.
Badum-ching! And I definitely do not recommend their latest album, Systematic Chaos. That one was embarrassing.
I haven't heard it, but your opinion seems to be the common one. At some point I want to give it a try just to see how it compares. |
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I haven't heard it, but your opinion seems to be the common one. At some point I want to give it a try just to see how it compares. You know the history of the band better than I do, so you'll probably get a better picture of where they're either repeating themselves or running out of ideas. The harsh criticism from longtime fans didn't faze me before I heard the album for myself, because honestly, that happens every time Dream Theater releases an album. The three albums of theirs that caused me to fall in love with the band often get slagged by old-school DT fans, and it's generally because they're seen as "selling out" as they begin to incorporate influences from more modern/harder rocking artists. I like that a band such as this, which is so obviously committed to sticking with their guns despite the unpopularity and attached stigmas of their chosen genre, also seeks to incorporate influences from the contemporary acts they're listening to, instead of remaining stuck in the mud. Perhaps the reason why Systematic Chaos disappointed me was that it didn't seem like a significant set forward. It felt like a major regress. So for all I know, if you like old Dream Theater, you might actually like it... but that's assuming you can get past the silly "Dark Master" stuff and the utter lack of memorable musical hooks and the increasingly tedious ode to Mike Portnoy's 12-step program. It's a lot to stomach all at once. NP: "All Alright", Sigur Ros |
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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2008, 09:00:23 PM » |
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Well, I admit that a lot of their stuff I've heard has been live, and I don't think I've heard much of their recent stuff. I'm not saying they're bad, and they have some good tracks, but no one album of theirs that I've heard is as recommendable as the stuff I've listed. But don't be offended if I don't like your pet band; there are many people here at the Phorum who know what they're talking about musically, but I'm not one of them.
Nah, I'm not offended. I'm not even a huge PT fan, but they are very talented and I wanted to make sure they got fair representation. He did seem to get rather prickly over it all.
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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2008, 12:59:52 AM » |
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I'll second the following recommendations, but Blindside is the only one I really think of as "Hard Rock":
Green Day - American Idiot
Blindside - About A Burning Fire
The Who - Quadrophenia
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
Here are a few bands that can be pretty hard that I like but suspect you already know about:
King's X
Smashing Pumpkins
POD
Living Sacrifice
Mortal
I'm not much of a hard rock person - I picked up Radiohead's The Bends this past weekend and it's easily the hardest thing I've listened to in quite some time.
Some of the stuff mentioned here is good, but pretty darn soft. I have Over the Rhine discs that rock as hard as In Absentia.
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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2008, 07:29:46 AM » |
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Hm, I don't know why I forgot to mention this before, but Nightwish is also a good band, and I don't think anyone will complain that they're not hard enough. I haven't heard much of their stuff with the new singer (from what I have heard, it's good but it's not Nightwish), so going with the Tarja-era might be good. I think Highest Hopes is a best-of album, so if you want a good cross-section of their earlier work, try that on for size.
I also agree with danny that a lot of the suggestions here are hard only when compared with acoustic or pop music. I tried to stick with metal or demonstrably hard rock for my suggestions.
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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2008, 08:15:49 AM » |
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Also, since you're Canadian and all, check out Rush. Geddy Lee isn't for everybody, but I happen to like that band a great deal.
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Many of the albums listed here are good. I just wanted to add that the last couple Mastodon records were impressive.
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« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2008, 10:21:00 AM » |
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Currently listening to this one. I like the music (could be a touch heavier, but it's still really good). Only 2 complaints: 1. Needs more screaming 2. The voice of the lead singer, though very good, seems more suited to ballads, he has a really smooth almost 'sweet' voice, I like a bit more 'crunchyness' (that's a phaithism for 'edgy'). |
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I think I'm just the opposite here. I usually don't like a whole lot of screaming vocals - the edginess just seems "put on" for a lot of that music, to me.
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I think I'm just the opposite here. I usually don't like a whole lot of screaming vocals - the edginess just seems "put on" for a lot of that music, to me.
Agreed. Maynard James Keenan can blow the doors down with a scream when he wants to (see "Ticks and Leeches" and that long, sustained scream near the end of "The Grudge"), but he also knows how to use the entire range of his voice well. If hard rock is constantly, unrelentingly as loud as it can possibly be, then the climaxes lose their edge. I like the buildup to the release of tension better than the constant screaming. NP: "Evil Urges", My Morning Jacket |
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I actually don't like "constant screaming" I don't believe I said I did. I like more than what they do. I think there were 4 songs with a little bit in it.
It is possable to show a full range with a little bit of screaming in each song. It is also possable to have a full range when one has an edgy voice. (and all I was saying is that is what I like)
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« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2008, 09:23:46 PM » |
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Blindisde - About a Burning Fire
He Is Legend - I Am Hollywood
Emery - I'm Only a Man
Flyleaf - Flyleaf
mewithoutYou - Brother, Sister
Project 86 - Rival Factions
Underoath - They're Only Chasing Safety
I'll second (or third) all of those. Though I prefer The Question by Emery over I'm Only A Man. I'll also through in System of a Down's latest two albums and Showbread's No Sir, Nihilism Is Not Practical (their most recent double album is also really good but I don't think I'd recommend starting out with them). |
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If someone hasn't already, I recommend Thrice's Vheissu and The Artist in the Ambulance...it's got the mix of screams/singing you seem to want.
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If someone hasn't already, I recommend Thrice's Vheissu and The Artist in the Ambulance...it's got the mix of screams/singing you seem to want.
Agreed about Vheissu. "Hold Fast Hope" is positively bone-crushing, and in a way that satisfies my inner math geek due to the complicated rhythm. I still need to hear The Artist in the Ambulance. I'm saving it for a time when my "Currently Digesting" list isn't so long. |
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