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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2009, 05:16:09 PM » |
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Who's Bradley Cooper? NVM I'll google it.
Sorry if I've totally derailed this topic.
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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2009, 05:18:51 PM » |
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What would be very interesting is the correlation between test score and dropout rate. What I would like to see is whether high school GPA or standardized test score or the desire to start a rock band and live on a bus is a more likely indicator of whether a student will drop out of college or not. Fixed. [Sorry if this is off-topic; I didn't realize while I was typing this that the subject had switched to haberdashery] I think we should upgrade the Phorum with a utility that tacks the phrase "(or general tomfoolery)" onto every thread title. Saves the moderators work when a thread gets hijacked. |
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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2009, 05:22:06 PM » |
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I've googled it. So I guess my question is... Bradley Cooper? What? I think we should upgrade the Phorum with a utility that tacks the phrase "(or general tomfoolery)" onto every thread title. Saves the moderators work when a thread gets hijacked.
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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2009, 05:23:50 PM » |
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What would be very interesting is the correlation between test score and dropout rate. What I would like to see is whether high school GPA or standardized test score is a more likely indicator of whether a student will drop out of college or not.
I think GPA would be more of an indicator of whether a student will drop out of college than a standardized test score (unless the standardized test score is incredibly poor). |
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« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2009, 05:24:04 PM » |
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I've googled it.
So I guess my question is...
Bradley Cooper? What?
Never mind. It was one of those spur-of-the-moment, "Hey, this face kind of reminds me of this other person's face" things that I always bring up and no one else can ever see the resemblance. It was not meant as an insult or as a joke. |
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« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2009, 05:25:47 PM » |
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Haha, no insult was taken. I was just wondering if there was some kind of reference I was missing.
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« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2009, 05:26:43 PM » |
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I think GPA would be more of an indicator of whether a student will drop out of college than a standardized test score (unless the standardized test score is incredibly poor).
You have to get a good GPA and have good SATs to go to a good college, generally speaking. Pressure to perform well on either of these could convince a student to drop out of college, but I'd guess GPAs are a stronger factor because you always have a GPA to worry about and you only have to take SATs once. (I think. It's been a while.) Though I suppose there are plenty of students who are completely failing their classes and have no qualms about staying in school and wasting their parents' (or the government's!) money so that they can continue to dick around. College is fun when you're not in class! |
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« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2009, 05:27:30 PM » |
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Haha, no insult was taken. I was just wondering if there was some kind of reference I was missing.
If anything, you can take it as a compliment. He's a pretty good looking guy and YEAH SO WHAT I NOTICED SHUT UP I AM NOT GAY. |
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« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2009, 05:29:44 PM » |
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Not even 20%?
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« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2009, 05:36:44 PM » |
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Not even 20%?
OK. Maybe 20%. Just don't tell my wife. Seriously, though, it's always bugged me that it's socially acceptable for women to go on and on about how good other women looks, but when a guy says another guy's a good looking fella, people are all like  . |
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« Reply #50 on: March 25, 2009, 05:38:10 PM » |
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You have to get a good GPA and have good SATs to go to a good college, generally speaking. The point isn't whether you can get in so much as whether you will excel once you do get in. Pressure to perform well on either of these could convince a student to drop out of college, but I'd guess GPAs are a stronger factor because you always have a GPA to worry about and you only have to take SATs once. (I think. It's been a while.) You can take the SAT as many times as you want (it may have been changed to once per year; I'm not 100% on that). But there are mitigating factors on both sides (someone with a great GPA but a poor test score may just test badly, or someone with a great test score but a poor GPA may have been spending his homework and study time rewriting the Linux kernel from scratch), so I'm not convinced that one or the other will always be a better indicator. Fixed.
I think the desire to drop out of college and start a band (or a business or whatever) is orthogonal to the question of intelligence or aptitude. Most of the poster-child founders (Bill Gates, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, etc) are college dropouts. Many talented musicians could have done incredibly well in school if they hadn't realized they were more suited to guitar riffs than contract law. But then there are also cases like that kid who dropped out of school to play Guitar Hero full-time. |
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« Reply #51 on: March 25, 2009, 05:45:33 PM » |
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The point isn't whether you can get in so much as whether you will excel once you do get in. Right, but once you're in, you don't take SATs any more, but still have to worry about your GPA. You can take the SAT as many times as you want (it may have been changed to once per year; I'm not 100% on that). Right. I should have said something like, "There's only the pressure to do well on it once." But there are mitigating factors on both sides (someone with a great GPA but a poor test score may just test badly, or someone with a great test score but a poor GPA may have been spending his homework and study time rewriting the Linux kernel from scratch), so I'm not convinced that one or the other will always be a better indicator. Again, right, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that the GPA is a factor that has to be continually maintained, so I'd figure it affects you on more of an ongoing basis than the SAT score. (These probably aren't the same thing. Indicator does not equal cause.) I think the desire to drop out of college and start a band (or a business or whatever) is orthogonal to the question of intelligence or aptitude. Most of the poster-child founders (Bill Gates, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, etc) are college dropouts. Many talented musicians could have done incredibly well in school if they hadn't realized they were more suited to guitar riffs than contract law. Well, that's kind of my point. Some of those musicians, while not as well educated as you or I in the traditional sense, are doing quite well for themselves and/or are genuinely smart people who just found a different way to apply themselves. (Though I would generally still recommend finishing school and then throwing your life into your band or your business, if you're so inclined.) Of course, for every budding musician or entrepeneur who drops out of school and hits the Top of Billboard or Forbes, there are probably thousands of others who go nowhere, so kids, stay in school. But I'll allow that there are some people who, honestly, just aren't well suited for school in the traditional sense. Some of these people have brilliant minds and they just have a hard time with the structure of it. Some just get a brilliant idea and feel like they have to strike while the iron is hot. Hard to say whether they should follow that instinct or stick with the status quo. |
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« Reply #52 on: March 25, 2009, 08:59:27 PM » |
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I honestly don't think that highschool GPA is especially important (and I say this as someone who was third in his class). I think you might be talking more about college GPA (I realize that I confused the issue by talking about highschool GPA as a predictor of potential success in college and college GPA as an indicator of actual success to be used for accountability. Sorry). I would also argue that many people go to college because that's what you do, or because they're not ready to face the "real world" yet. In my class there were two people who didn't go to college; one was a talented singer and was pursuing music opportunities, and one felt there were enough business opportunities that he didn't need college. I haven't heard from the former, but I know the latter is doing much better than the people who went to college just because it's what was expected and then screwed around. I think we as a society (especially those of us who did earn the college degree) place too much emphasis on that piece of paper. [I'm trying to decide if this conversation is more or less on-topic than spacebrat's scarf...I think it's more, but only marginally. That's OK; I'm not a music moderator so I'll gladly contribute to the tomfoolery  ] |
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« Reply #53 on: March 25, 2009, 10:18:58 PM » |
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And what do YOU think of the scarf, Vlad?
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« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2009, 10:30:00 PM » |
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I firmly believe that it's important to know one's limits, and fashion is definitely one of mine. I noticed it, certainly, but I guess it would be most accurate to say that it didn't impinge itself on my consciousness. Unless the fashion is absolutely disastrous, it tends to go in one eye and out the other (hmm, that doesn't work as well as with ears).
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« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2009, 04:17:33 PM » |
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Interesting and possibly relevant (at least, more relevant than the scarf) article: there is a correlation between Facebook usage and low grades. As discussed earlier, correlation does not imply causation (for example, the type of social person who is likely to spend the most time on Facebook is also likely to be the type of person to spend more time partying than studying, so perhaps both are symptoms of a root cause), but interesting nonetheless. |
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« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2009, 07:47:50 PM » |
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Nothing's more relevant than the scarf.
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« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2009, 07:58:49 PM » |
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Nothing's more relevant than the scarf.
Hm, I concede the point. I should have said "more on-topic than the scarf". |
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« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2009, 02:56:11 AM » |
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That would be a fair and accurate statement.
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