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« on: March 11, 2009, 01:32:39 PM »

I'm guessing some of you have seen this, but it is pretty interesting.

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?   
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2009, 02:23:46 PM »

That's cool...but I don't think it's 100% accurate. Consider the following:

I cndluot bveilee taht I cluod allautcy unatsrednd waht I was rnidaeg. The panimonehl pewor of the hamun mnid Anidroccg to rcraeseh at Cgdirbmae Utisreviny, it dseon't mettar in waht oedrr the lrettes in a wrod are, the olny inatropmt tnihg is taht the fsrit and lsat letter be in the rhgit pcale. The rset can be a tatol mses and you can slitl raed it wuohtit a pelborm. Tihs is bsuacee the hamun mnid deos not raed erevy letter by ilestf, but the wrod as a wlohe. Anizamg huh

I found this a lot harder to read, despite the fact that it follows the rules given in the text (first and last letters in the right places).
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2009, 02:35:09 PM »

Hm, I didn't have any problems with that one, either.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2009, 02:36:43 PM »

Hm, I didn't have any problems with that one, either.
Interesting. I found, for instance, that it was a lot easier to get "Cambridge" out of "Cmabrigde" than "Cgdirbmae".
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2009, 10:58:01 PM »

I couldn't read Cgdirbmae, probably because it's a name.  The rest I didn't have a problem with.
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2009, 11:38:37 PM »

I spuesct taht olny wkros if you sulduolesy eehcsw vsoibrtey, eietrosc ciatigotnos, psybloliyalc podurftniy, and moninequgalt piotlxriy.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2009, 08:18:28 AM »

Yeah, you're right; I noticed that the words in my version that were hardest to read were the long multisyllabic ones. I suspect most people had an easier time with mine because they already knew what it said, too (maybe I'm just bad at reading, but I found a lot of the words in my version to be difficult).
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 04:37:06 PM »

I'm guessing some of you have seen this, but it is pretty interesting.

I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?  

The Hsuoe of Revitatneserpes slahl be cesopmod of Mrebmes cesohn erevy snoced Yaer by the Plpoee of the sarevel Setats, and the Erotcels in ecah State slahl hvae the Qnoitacifilaus rtisiuqee for Erotcels of the msot nuoremus Bcnarh of the State Lrutalsigee. No Posren slahl be a Rvitatneserpee who slahl not hvae aeniattd to the Age of ttnewy fvie Yraes, and been seven Yraes a Cezitin of the Uetind Setats, and who slahl not, wehn eetceld, be an Inatibahnt of taht State in wcihh he slahl be cesohn.

I don't know why I chose to revisit this now, but I find the above to be telling. However, in the previous discussion, most other people seemed to be better at reading than I was. You pholks who had no problem with the previous passage: did this one pose a challenge?
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 04:59:27 PM »

I was able to get the gist of it if I kept reading for context. but when I reread it and focused on the individual "words" I became uncertain of what they meant. trying to pronounce "Qnoitacifilaus", "rtisiuqee", and "Erotcels" messed with my head.
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 05:04:39 PM »

That text was generated by a program I wrote for the previous discussion which will take each word, leave the first and last letters the same, and then reverse the order of the 'internal' letters. I was amused to see the word 'seven' survive intact, because its internal letters form a palindrome.

(This also means that if you're confused about what a word is then you can cheat by reversing the internal letters in your head).

I also read "rtisiuqee" as "risque" and "Erotcels" as "Eroticals", which might say more about me than the text but made comprehension more difficult.
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 05:30:20 PM »

huh. interesting. I didn't pick up on the formula but now it seems so obvious.

can you (er, do you care to) write a different version that groups the consonants and vowels together? I'm curious how that would look and if it would be even more difficult to decipher. the first time around I remember thinking that it seems easier to get a word like "total" from "tatol" than from "ttaol".

oh yeah, and I was like "WHAT kind of quanaufilous?"
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 05:39:14 PM »

Text with consonants, then vowels, in the order they appear:
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The Hsoue of Rprsnttveeeaies shlal be cmpsooed of Mmbrees chsoen evrey scneod Year by the Ppleoe of the svreeal Sttaes, and the Elctreos in ecah Sttae shlal hvae the Qlfctnuaiiaios rqsteuiie for Elctreos of the msot nmrueous Brncah of the Sttae Lgsltreiaue. No Prseon shlal be a Rprsnttveeeaie who shlal not hvae attnaied to the Age of twntey fvie Yreas, and been sveen Yreas a Ctziien of the Untied Sttaes, and who shlal not, when elcteed, be an Inhbtnaiat of that Sttae in whcih he shlal be chsoen.
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Text with vowels, then consonants, in the order they appear:
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The House of Reeeaieprsnttvs sahll be cooempsd of Meembrs coehsn eevry seocnd Year by the People of the seeavrl Saetts, and the Eeolctrs in each Satte sahll have the Quaiiaiolfctns reuiiqste for Eeolctrs of the most nueoumrs Barnch of the Satte Leiaugsltre. No Peorsn sahll be a Reeeaiprsnttve who sahll not have aaiettnd to the Age of tewnty five Years, and been seevn Years a Ciietzn of the Uientd Saetts, and who sahll not, wehn eeelctd, be an Iaianhbtnt of taht Satte in wihch he sahll be coehsn.
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Text with consonants, then vowels, with the vowels reversed:
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The Hsuoe of Rprsnttveiaeees shlal be cmpseood of Mmbrees chseon evrey scnoed Yaer by the Pploee of the svraeel Stteas, and the Elctroes in ecah Sttae shlal hvae the Qlfctnoiaiiaus rqstiiuee for Elctroes of the msot nmruoeus Brncah of the Sttae Lgsltruaiee. No Prsoen shlal be a Rprsnttviaeeee who shlal not hvae attneiad to the Age of twntey fvie Yraes, and been sveen Yraes a Ctzeiin of the Unteid Stteas, and who shlal not, when elcteed, be an Inhbtnaiat of that Sttae in whcih he shlal be chseon.
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2009, 05:42:57 PM »

I had no problem with it.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2009, 05:50:52 PM »

hm, interesting. my conclusion is that there's no real rule about which is harder to read, especially if the words are long.

one last request for the performing code monkey: can you garble some random section of an EULA? Grin (do you say "an EULA" or "a EULA"? I mentally pronounce EULA as a word, like eulogy, because it is funnier that way, so I say "a EULA".)
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2009, 08:53:40 PM »

I'll try to remember to do it tomorrow.

And a say "a EULA", pronounced "a yoola".
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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2009, 09:11:17 AM »

Here we go. I ran a section from Sony's infamous EULA through my word mungers.

The standard "reverse the interior characters" algorithm:
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As soon as you hvae aeergd to be bnuod by the tmres and cnoitidnos of the ELUA, tihs CD wlil allacitamotuy ilatsnl a slaml prateirpory srawtfoe pargorm the SRAWTFOE) otno YUOR CETUPMOR. The SRAWTFOE is iednetnd to pcetort the aiduo felis eeidobmd on the CD, and it may aslo ftatilicae yuor use of the DATIGIL CNETNOT. Ocne iellatsnd, the SRAWTFOE wlil rdisee on YUOR CETUPMOR uitnl revomed or deteled. Hevewor, the SRAWTFOE wlil not be uesd at any tmie to ccellot any panosrel ioitamrofnn form you, wehtehr serotd on YUOR CETUPMOR or osiwrehte. Ocne the SRAWTFOE has been iellatsnd on YUOR CETUPMOR, a mneu wlil tehn aaeppr on the seercn of YUOR CETUPMOR, gnivig you the ooitpn of pniyalg the aiduo felis on YUOR CETUPMOR, cnitaerg a cpoy of the DATIGIL CNETNOT dltceriy otno the hrad dvire of YUOR CETUPMOR, or mnikag a letimid nebmur of bcak- up ceipos of the CD otno oehtr, rlbadrocee CDs. If you csoohe to ctaere a cpoy of the DATIGIL CNETNOT, the mneu wlil tehn ppmort you to scelet a flie famrot for the DATIGIL CNETNOT. Ocne you hvae setceled a flie famrot, a cpoy of the DATIGIL CNETNOT wlil allacitamotuy be cetaerd in taht flie famrot and terrefsnard otno the hrad dvire of YUOR CETUPMOR, wrehe you wlil be albe to aseccs it unisg an AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR see bolew) or, at you eoitceln, tefsnarr it form YUOR CETUPMOR otno an AEVORPPD PLBATROE DCIVEE. In oedrr to aseccs the DATIGIL CNETNOT on YUOR CETUPMOR, you wlil need to hvae a cpoy of an aevorppd midea peyalr srawtfoe pargorm taht is clbapae of pniyalg the DATIGIL CNETNOT in the flie famrot you setceled ecah scuh aevorppd midea peyalr, an AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR on YUOR CETUPMOR. You may adaerly hvae a cpoy of an AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR on YUOR CETUPMOR. If you do, you wlil be albe to paly the DATIGIL CNETNOT on YUOR CETUPMOR wuohtit dniog anihtyng fehtrur. Tihs CD may aslo ciatnon an AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR for the flie famrot you setceled. If it deos, the mneu taht araepps on the seercn of YUOR CETUPMOR wlil ppmort you on how to tefsnarr a cpoy of taht AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR otno YUOR CETUPMOR. To the enetxt you uzilite an AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR ceniatnod on tihs CD, yuor use of scuh AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR may be scejbut, in ecah icnatsne, to starapee tmres and cnoitidnos pedivord by the oenwr of the AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR cenrecnod. If you do not adaerly hvae a cpoy of an AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR on YUOR CETUPMOR, and if tihs CD deos not ciatnon a clbitapmoe AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR, tehn you wlil tehn need to srucee a clbitapmoe AEVORPPD MIDEA PEYALR erehwesle e. g. on an Ienretnt wtisbee, wrehe you can daolnwod one)
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The "group, then munge" algorithm:

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As soon as you hvae agreed to be bnuod by the trmes and cndtnoiios of the ELUA, this CD wlil atmtcllaiaouy instlal a smlal prprtraeioy sftwraoe prgraom the SFTWRAOE) onto YUOR CMPTEUOR. The SFTWRAOE is intndeed to prtceot the adiuo fleis embdeiod on the CD, and it may also fclttaiiae yuor use of the DGTAIIL CNTNEOT. Once instllead, the SFTWRAOE wlil rsdiee on YUOR CMPTEUOR until rmveoed or dlteeed. Hwveeor, the SFTWRAOE wlil not be used at any tmie to cllceot any prsnaoel infrmtoiaon from you, whtheer streod on YUOR CMPTEUOR or othrwsiee. Once the SFTWRAOE has been instllead on YUOR CMPTEUOR, a mneu wlil then appaer on the screen of YUOR CMPTEUOR, gvniig you the optoin of plyniag the adiuo fleis on YUOR CMPTEUOR, crtniaeg a cpoy of the DGTAIIL CNTNEOT drctleiy onto the hrad drvie of YUOR CMPTEUOR, or mkniag a lmteiid nmbeur of bcak- up cpeios of the CD onto other, rcrdblaoee CDs. If you chsooe to crtaee a cpoy of the DGTAIIL CNTNEOT, the mneu wlil then prmpot you to slceet a flie frmaot for the DGTAIIL CNTNEOT. Once you hvae slcteeed a flie frmaot, a cpoy of the DGTAIIL CNTNEOT wlil atmtcllaiaouy be crteaed in that flie frmaot and trnsfrreead onto the hrad drvie of YUOR CMPTEUOR, whree you wlil be able to accses it usnig an APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR see bloew) or, at you elctoien, trnsfear it from YUOR CMPTEUOR onto an APPRVEOD PRTBLAOE DVCIEE. In order to accses the DGTAIIL CNTNEOT on YUOR CMPTEUOR, you wlil need to hvae a cpoy of an apprveod mdiea plyear sftwraoe prgraom that is cpblaae of plyniag the DGTAIIL CNTNEOT in the flie frmaot you slcteeed ecah scuh apprveod mdiea plyear, an APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR on YUOR CMPTEUOR. You may alrdaey hvae a cpoy of an APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR on YUOR CMPTEUOR. If you do, you wlil be able to play the DGTAIIL CNTNEOT on YUOR CMPTEUOR wthuoit dniog anythnig frtheur. This CD may also cntiaon an APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR for the flie frmaot you slcteeed. If it deos, the mneu that appraes on the screen of YUOR CMPTEUOR wlil prmpot you on how to trnsfear a cpoy of that APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR onto YUOR CMPTEUOR. To the extnet you utlziie an APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR cntneiaod on this CD, yuor use of scuh APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR may be sbjceut, in ecah instncae, to sprtaaee trmes and cndtnoiios prvdeiod by the owner of the APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR cncrneeod. If you do not alrdaey hvae a cpoy of an APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR on YUOR CMPTEUOR, and if this CD deos not cntiaon a cmptbliaoe APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR, then you wlil then need to scruee a cmptbliaoe APPRVEOD MDIEA PLYEAR elswhreee e. g. on an Intrneet wbstiee, whree you can dwnlaood one)
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2009, 09:57:14 AM »

laugh thanks for satisfying my curiosity. as I thought, the words themselves are easy enough to read, but I quickly became mind-numbed.
an unexpected side-effect is that I feel like going around and saying "DATIGIL CNETNOT".
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2009, 11:09:37 AM »

the title of this thread makes me think of Eomer asking "warmongering?"
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