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Author Topic: KJV-onlyism taken to a whole new level  (Read 554 times)
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« on: January 18, 2010, 04:57:52 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47cHJR_IABw

No, this is not a joke; at least, I know this pastor is real.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2010, 05:19:58 PM »

What's interesting to me is that the word shathan--to urinate--is only used as a gender designator when the males in question are being killed. By comparison, the literal word 'male' ('iysh) is used 72 times in the Old Testament. I don't know if this has a significance.

(And also if he had bothered to use a concordance, he would realize that the 'against a wall' was added by the translators in 1611, which is probably what Leinad is getting at here...)
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2010, 11:14:24 PM »

I actually wasn't going that deep, I just thought it was hilarious that he was saying that you need the correct Bible to tell you how to relieve yourself.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 07:10:23 AM »

Me and the other thrology students at my school love watching this guy's videos around finals week.
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 08:09:59 AM »

I actually wasn't going that deep, I just thought it was hilarious that he was saying that you need the correct Bible to tell you how to relieve yourself.
Well, I think he was going (or trying to go) deeper than that...he was speaking about how culture tries to relieve men of our "rights" as males. There have been whole (good) books written on how our culture has warped the perception of manhood, but they are by people who actually understand hermeneutics and epistemology and, even more important, who are trying to capture the heart of God rather than serving their own agenda.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 01:36:37 PM »

Here's my favorite comment from a KJV-only-er, on the topic of Bible smuggling in China:
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Just the fact that Amity printing press Bibles are the only ones permitted by the GOVERNMENT should send a red flag. My guess is they are not printing and distributing any KJV, but most likely watered down ones--paraphrases etc. Satan continues to prevent, distort, and hinder God's Word

Yes...because there is such a thing as a Chinese language KJV.  rolleyes
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 08:31:03 PM »

I guess I don't really see the point in solely reading the KJV translation of the Bible. If you're going to cling to the use of only one translation of the Bible, then why not go back to the original source languages since they're the most accurate?
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2010, 01:56:27 PM »

I guess I don't really see the point in solely reading the KJV translation of the Bible. If you're going to cling to the use of only one translation of the Bible, then why not go back to the original source languages since they're the most accurate?

That's because you're reasonable, whereas KJV-only-ism is not.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2010, 07:53:11 PM »

I guess I don't really see the point in solely reading the KJV translation of the Bible. If you're going to cling to the use of only one translation of the Bible, then why not go back to the original source languages since they're the most accurate?
Indeed. It's not like Christ and the Apostles spoke or wrote Elizabethan English.

If I am confused about the meaning of a passage, I'll often look up several different translations. The Internet makes this an easy task.

(I'm one of those who doesn't use a primarily translation based upon the Textus Receptus, so I suppose I am one of the condemned.)
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2010, 08:18:52 PM »

The logic makes a certain kind of terrifyingly warped sense to me.

It's almost the end result of a certain kind of belief in inerrancy. If it is important to believe that God directly gave us a literal, direct message, free of any errors of any kind whatsoever (The kind of thing that serves the purposes of science textbook, history in the modern sense, and ethical instruction manual among other purposes) this must also be the kind of God who would not let such a book degrade or fall away. Since it's pretty hard to argue that we have exactly the original Bible (whatever that might mean. Anyone who has studied the Bible and its origins can talk about the difficulty in defining the "originals" since many of the books are syntheses of other, even older texts which we do not possess.) there must be something that exists contemporarily that holds this place of inerrancy and concrete certainty. The KJV is the most read variant of the Bible in existence by a large margin. God is not a deciever, so that must be it.

I do not believe any of this of course. I'm just saying that in the context of a faith that is very uncomfortable with the notion of a God who leaves us, well, uncomfortable, uncertain, and unable to stand on our own two feet but can instead only be lifted by Him, it's actually not that surprising of a belief. It's stupid, but not the kind of stupid that happens for no reason.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2010, 06:08:22 PM »

If I am confused about the meaning of a passage, I'll often look up several different translations. The Internet makes this an easy task.

Yeah. The Bibles I own are a Message (because it's actually kinda fun to read and get the gist of it more readily, though I wouldn't use this independently to untangle tough theological questions) and an NKJV (given to me as a child). My biggest thing is that I don't believe in using any one translation exclusively. When I see something that makes me scratch my head (either because it doesn't seem to square with other things the Bible has taught me or because it's just plain impenetrable), I check other translations to see what makes the most sense. I often find that even scholars aren't completely settled on it. So I'm extremely cautious about telling others what's what on those kinds of issues.

I do not believe any of this of course. I'm just saying that in the context of a faith that is very uncomfortable with the notion of a God who leaves us, well, uncomfortable, uncertain, and unable to stand on our own two feet but can instead only be lifted by Him, it's actually not that surprising of a belief. It's stupid, but not the kind of stupid that happens for no reason.

Unfortunately, you are right here. it looks like wacky logic on the outside, but the frustrating thing is that it is all somewhat consistent with itself. The conclusion follows from the premise, and the premise is taken purely on faith. Very hard to argue your way out of someone seeing it that way.

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