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Peter T. Chattaway's new blog, FilmChat, has quickly become one of my very favorite sites, a daily Web haunt that always gets me thinking critically about film, religion, literature, or whatever else is on PTC's mind. Today, he posted an interesting article-- complete with his usually thoughtful commentary!-- about how, according to some of the most reliable biblical texts, the sign of the Beast is not 666 at all! |
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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2005, 04:29:20 PM » |
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I'll file that away in the "I really don't see why I should care either way" catagory.
Yet, it's interesting nonetheless.
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Vlad!
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2005, 04:30:58 PM » |
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Man, all those jokes about adding up Bill Gates' name using ASCII encoding are going to have to be reworked now.
I think that Christians (and not just modern Christians; even a cursory reading of the New Testament will show that this goes back to the first century) are far too unhealthily obsessed with the end of the world. Me, I have enough to worry about without wondering if Armageddon is lurking around the corner. It wouldn't surprise me if conventional interpretations of eschatology are so far off that when many of the things written about actually come to pass, we won't realize what's going on until after the fact.
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2005, 11:00:33 PM » |
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Man, all those jokes about adding up Bill Gates' name using ASCII encoding are going to have to be reworked now.
I think that Christians (and not just modern Christians; even a cursory reading of the New Testament will show that this goes back to the first century) are far too unhealthily obsessed with the end of the world. Me, I have enough to worry about without wondering if Armageddon is lurking around the corner. It wouldn't surprise me if conventional interpretations of eschatology are so far off that when many of the things written about actually come to pass, we won't realize what's going on until after the fact. Jesus Himself made the 'end of the world' a focal point of His ministry, even desacribing a time of trouble that will be SO great that if it wasn't stopped no one would be left alive. That prophecy could only be for the last 50 years or so into the future, because there was never a time in history when humans could destroy all life on Earth until recently. Couple that with the scripture that says "people will be running to and fro" near the end, and that could only describe today. People only recently "ran to and fro", with the invention of the automobile and airplanes. |
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2005, 11:34:37 PM » |
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Vlad!
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2005, 01:32:33 AM » |
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Humans have always had the ability to destroy all life on earth. In fact, it was a lot easier back in Jesus' time, when world population was many orders of magnitude smaller than the population of today. It would take a disaster so large that the entire planet becomes uninhabitable to extirpate humanity today.
And people have always been going to and fro as well. Paul himself traveled over much of Europe and some of Asia during his lifetime. During the crusades, people were relocating to cities en masse.
Probably every generation succeeding the death of Christ has somehow rationalized that 'this could be it,' and that they may see the second coming in their lifetimes. Heck, Paul believed he would see Christ come back. If you want to worry about it, go ahead. But I have better things to do with my life than to look for the apocalypse under every rock or look over my shoulder for Jesus every time the cash register hits $6.66 (or $6.16).
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2005, 02:26:25 PM » |
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Speaking of end times, I found this amusing.  |
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2005, 11:17:25 PM » |
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I make a point never to take people seriously when they mention Jesus coming back. We'll all know at once, right?
In much of southern New Hampshire, you can still see signs warning us about the end of the world coming in August of 1992. No one has it in them to take them down.
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Someday, Dan will make a site with nothing but pictures of amusing stolen avatars.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2005, 11:54:01 PM » |
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In much of southern New Hampshire, you can still see signs warning us about the end of the world coming in August of 1992. No one has it in them to take them down. Is that related to the book 1992: The End of the World? by that guy who somehow calculated (using I think some verses from Daniel, heavily interpreted) the date of the apocalypse? Leinad showed it to me a while back. I think the author was somebody Camping, a radio preacher guy. |
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2005, 05:43:10 PM » |
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If anyone caught the second new episode of the Simpsons last night, they skewered the Left Behind series by having Homer stumble into a theater showing "Left Below" and becoming an end-times prophet. Wickedly funny stuff.
On an unrelated note, they skewered "American Idol" on the first episode with a singing contest for 8-year old kdis that Lisa competes in. Ralph is awesome... [singing] "A B C D E F G... how I wonder what you are".
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2005, 09:05:02 PM » |
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Is that related to the book 1992: The End of the World? by that guy who somehow calculated (using I think some verses from Daniel, heavily interpreted) the date of the apocalypse? Leinad showed it to me a while back. I think the author was somebody Camping, a radio preacher guy. Actually the book was 1994?, by Harold Camping. Since you mentioned it, I checked amazon.com to see if it's still available. Low and behold, he just wrote a new book, entitled Time Has an End: A Biblical History of the World 11,013 B.C. - 2011 A.D. |
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2005, 09:48:56 PM » |
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Actually the book was 1994?, by Harold Camping. Since you mentioned it, I checked amazon.com to see if it's still available. Low and behold, he just wrote a new book, entitled Time Has an End: A Biblical History of the World 11,013 B.C. - 2011 A.D. Eh, I was a couple of years off. That's still better than Mr. Camping  11,013 BC, eh? I bet he went through some convoluted arithmetic to get that, and I bet it's wrong anyhow. |
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2005, 10:17:39 PM » |
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11,013 BC, eh? I bet he went through some convoluted arithmetic to get that, and I bet it's wrong anyhow. He has laid out his calculations and his complete rationale here or just his calculations here. I agree that he is probably wrong, but it's quite intriguing. |
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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2005, 09:25:46 PM » |
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Note: The above links only concern his timeline of Biblical history. You have to get the new book to find out why he believes Christ will return in 2011.
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2005, 01:22:29 PM » |
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Actually the book was 1994?, by Harold Camping. Since you mentioned it, I checked amazon.com to see if it's still available. Low and behold, he just wrote a new book, entitled Time Has an End: A Biblical History of the World 11,013 B.C. - 2011 A.D. World ending in 1994? And for God to rob me of these joyous mid-post-modern adolescently adult years?! :bosh: |
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Call me Ishmael...I always thought that was a cool name for a chick.
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2008, 05:51:14 AM » |
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Update: Harold Camping has now determined the exact date of the rapture (I won't spoil it.) Also, his earlier book which gives the background information is now online. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2008, 11:31:31 AM » |
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You have to get the new book to find out why he believes Christ will return in 2011.
Easy ... he watches Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles which is very clear that the machines take over the world and mankind as we know it ends in 2011! |
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2010, 02:33:28 AM » |
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Vlad!
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2010, 08:02:45 AM » |
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Apparently two decades of being wrong has not deterred Mr. Camping in the least.
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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2011, 04:13:45 AM » |
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A few days ago I saw a gigantic billboard pronouncing "The Lord's Return on May 21, 2011."
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2011, 08:02:36 AM » |
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I've heard it pointed out that this is very similar to how the Jehovah's Witnesses got started. Their founder apparently predicted the end in 1874 and then 1914, and the organization still teaches that 1914 was the beginning of the end. I guess that means that Campingism could be around for a long time.
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2011, 05:15:23 PM » |
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39 days to go. Having heard stories about this having negatively affected people's lives, it occurred to me that someone could follow links from here and possibly become a convinced follower of these teachings. Therefore, I will post a link which does a fairly good job refuting Camping's ideas: http://www.refutecamping.com/ . Among other things, it points out problems in his "timeline of Biblical history", which is the entire basis for this date. There is also a message board devoted to this subject at http://www.departout.com/ . |
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Vlad!
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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2011, 07:37:44 AM » |
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Happy Rapture Day, everyone!
Or at least, to all of you who are still here. Apparently I didn't make it.
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2011, 09:24:09 AM » |
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Happy Rapture Day, everyone!
Or at least, to all of you who are still here. Apparently I didn't make it.
I thought it was supposed to be a 6pm EST today. I just tried to go to the Family Radio Site, but I think it crashed. |
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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2011, 09:18:46 PM » |
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Oh, whoops. Still didn't make it, I guess.
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2011, 10:29:30 PM » |
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The Family Radio site is back up, and the "Judgment Day on May 21, 2011" header has finally been removed. Also, it has been noticed that the logo with the Cross is back. The Cross had been removed from their logo after Camping started teaching that Jesus died twice, and that His death on the cross was only a demonstration of what He had done before the world was created.
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2011, 02:52:20 PM » |
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Camping is reportedly going to be doing the Open Forum program live tonight. This should be good.
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