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Would Pay Full Price and Then Some
David Crowder*Band - Give Us Rest (A Requiem Mass in C The Happiest of All Keys) Sons - Keep Quiet Green River Ordinance - Under Fire Swoope - Wake Up Howler - America Give Up
Would Pay Slightly Under Full Price
Flame - The 6th Json - Growing Pains Of Montreal - Paralytic Stalks
Would Pay Half Price
Samestate - The Alignment Kiros - Lay Your Weapons Down Snow Patrol - Fallen Empires Lana Del Rey - Born to Die Theory Hazit - Thr3e
Would Get Out of Dollar Bin
12 Stones - Beneath The Scars
Wouldn't Pay Anything or Take it as a Gift
The Skies Revolt - Some Kind of Cosmonaut
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2012, 05:15:12 AM » |
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Buy It! Bloom, Beach House (9.0) Blunderbuss, Jack White (9.0) Put Your Back N 2 It, Perfume Genius (8.5) Sweet Heart Sweet Light, Spiritualized (8.5) Ten Stories, mewithoutYou (8.0) The Flaming Lips and Heady Fwends, The Flaming Lips (8.0) Port of Morrow, The Shins (8.0) Break It Yourself, Andrew Bird (8.0) Kindred EP, Burial (8.0) Give Us Rest (A Requiem Mass in C The Happiest of All Keys), David Crowder*Band (8.0)
Try It Wrecking Ball, Bruce Springsteen (7.5) A Different Kind of Truth, Van Halen (7.5) Old Ideas, Leonard Cohen (7.0) Le Voyage Dans la Lune, Air (7.0 - need to hear it in context, though) R.I.P, Actress (7.0)
Shrug It
F*ck It
Ongoing
Hey, You Cheated! (Live albums, broadcasts, covers, standards, mashups)
Digesting Les Voyages De L'Ame, Alcest Kill for Love, Chromatics The Money Store, Death Grips Born to Die, Lana Del Rey Cancer for Cure, El-P Visions, Grimes Standing at the Sky's Edge, Richard Hawley Trespassing, Adam Lambert Open Your Heart, The Men Young Man in America, Anais Mitchell Paralytic Stalks, of Montreal The Stars are Indifferent to Astronomy, Nada Surf Sorrow and Extinction, Pallbearer Black Radio, Robert Glasper Experiment Interstellar, Frankie Rose Valtari, Sigur Ros Neck of the Woods, Silversun Pickups Heaven, The Walkmen Always, Xiu Xiu
F*ck It: 0.0: Not one redeeming characteristic (F) 0.5-1.5: Painful (F) 2.0-2.5: Terrible (F) 3.0-3.5: Poor (F) 4.0-4.5: Nearing average (D)
Shrug It: 5.0: Average (C-) 5.5: Slightly above average (C ) 6.0: Pretty Good; serious flaws (C+)
Try It: 6.5: Solid; detracting problems (B-) 7.0: Good; well above average (B ) 7.5: Impressive; few major reservations (B+)
Buy It!: 8.0: Excellent; repeated listens suggested (A-) 8.5: Exceptional; repeated listens demanded (A) 9.0-9.5: Great; Very few, if any, notable flaws (A+) 10.0: Essential; Among the best of all time (A++)
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RATED LPS:
Actress - R.I.P. - 9.7 Anathema - Whether Systems - 9.0 Ne Obliviscaris - Portal of I - 9.0 Death Grips - The Money Store - 8.9 Shackleton - The Drawbar Organ EPs - 8.8 Killing Joke - MMXII - 8.7 Alcest - Les Voyages De L'Âme - 8.7 Killer Mike & El P - R A P - 8.7 Voices from the Lake - Voices from the Lake - 8.6 Black Breath - Sentenced to Life - 8.6 Dr John - Locked Down - 8.6 Portico Quartet - Portico Quartet - 8.5 Lone - Galaxy Garden Shackleton - Music for the Quiet Hour - 8.5 Wizard Rifle - Speak Loud, Say Nothing - 8.3 Jack White - Blunderbuss - 8.2 Alex Winston - King Con - 8.2 Dala Sun - Gegenschein - 8.1 Gazpacho - March of Ghosts - 8.1 The Mars Volta - Noctourniquet - 8.0 mewithoutYou - Ten Stories - 7.9 Bersarin Quartet - II - 7.9 Astra - The Black Chord - 7.9 LHF - Keepers of the Light - 7.9 Esbjörn Svensson Trio - 301 - 7.9 Helios - Moiety - 7.8 John Talabot - ƒin- 7.8 Grimes - Visions - 7.8 ScHoolboy Q - Habits & Contradictions - 7.8 First Aid Kit - The Lion's Roar - 7.6 Todd Terje - It's the Arps - 7.5 Lana Del Rey - Born to Die - 7.4 Worm Ouroboros - Come the Thaw - 7.4 Sigh - In Somniphobia - 7.2 Pennywise - All or Nothing - 7.0 Of Montreal - Paralytic Stalks - 6.8 Left - 君の宇宙と僕の声 - 6.8 Maribel - Reveries - 6.7 Loincloth - Iron Balls of Steel - 6.6 Liberteer - Better To Die On Your Feet Than Live On Your Knees - 6.5 Haley Reinhart - Listen Up! - 6.0 Настин Чай - Огонь Свободы - 1.5
QUEUE:
Snow Patrol - Fallen Empires Mark Van Hoen - The Revenant Diary Cloud Nothings - Attack on Memory Oren Ambarchi - Audience of One Air - Le Voyage Dans La Lune Chairlift - Something Loops of Your Heart - And Never Ending Nights DVA - Pretty Ugly fun. - Some Nights Big KRIT - 4eva N A Day bvdub - Serenity Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene Worm Ouroboros - Come the Thaw Black Sheep Wall - No Matter Where It Ends Zoo - Ceremony James Murray - Floods Edward - Teupitz Robert Glasper - Black Radio Meshuggah - Koloss Orbital - Wonky Monarch - Omens Mgla - With Hearts Towards None Beach House - Bloom James Blackshaw - Love is the Plan, the Plan is Death Keane - Strangeland The Flaming Lips and Heady Fwends Monarch - Omens BADBADNOTGOOD - BBNG2 Ancestors - In Dreams and Time Amanda Mair - Amanda Mair Selenities - Animaltar
RATED EPS/SINGLES:
Burial - Kindred EP - 9.5 Untold - Change in a Dynamic Environment - 9.0 Wax - No 303030 - 8.8 Lucy - Banality of Evil - 8.4 Old Man Lizard - Old Man Lizard - 8.3 Machinedrum - SXLND EP - 8.0 Locked Groove - Rooted - 7.2 Matthew Dear - Headcage - 7.0
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Detroit in Effect - Work It Burn Idols - Theodicy Animal Collective - Honeycomb / Gotham Shigeto - Lineage EP Special Request - Lolita / Deflowered
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2012, 04:08:46 PM » |
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Full Length Studio Albums & EP's Over 30 Minutes Long Five Stars (Perfection To My Ears)
Four Stars (Love It) Sons - Keep Quiet mewithoutYou - Ten Stories JT Daly - Memory Lovedrug - Wild Blood
Three Stars (Like It) Alcest - Les Voyages De L'âme Tallhart - Sister of Mine Beach House - Bloom Good Old War - Come Back As Rain Daytrader - Twelve Years Great Lake Swimmers - New Wild Everywhere Barcelona - Not Quite Yours Sucré - A Minor Bird Ascend The Hill - O Ransomed Son Fun. - Some Nights Dead Icons - Condemned The Followers - Wounded Healer
Two Stars (Indifferent/Dislike It) We Are Creation - We Are Creation
One Star (Awful)
COMPILATIONS, LIVE ALBUMS, SINGLES, MIX TAPES, RE-ISSUES, AND EP'S UNDER 30 MINUTES Five Stars (Perfection To My Ears)
Four Stars (Love It) Moving Mountains - New Light Fever Fever - Kingdom EP Tongue & Pen - The Likeness EP Vinyl Thief - Rebel Hill EP
Three Stars (Like It) Tallhart - Bloodlines EP Least of These - More Than Conquerors Empires - Can't Steal Your Heart Away Eisley - Deep Space EP Among Savages - Start At The Beginning EP
Two Stars (Indifferent/Dislike It)
One Star(Awful)
Digesting: David Crowder Band - Give Us Rest (A Requiem Mass in C The Happiest of All Keys)
Anticipating: Gates - You Are All You Have Left To Fear (May 29) States - Room To Run (Re-Release) (June 19) Athletics - Who You Are Is Not Enough (June 26) Anberlin (June) Anchor & Braille - The Quiet Life (July 31) Spoken (September) Everything In Slow Motion Athletics - Stop Torturing Yourself EP The Frozen Ocean - Skeleton Key Further Seems Forever Hands Living Sacrifice Low Dark Hills - EP Misery Signals Paper Route - The Peace of Wild Things Project 86 - Wait For The Siren Schematic Search The City Shai Hulud Terrible Things
Somewhat Anticipating/Interested In Hearing: Sigur Ros - Valtari (May 28) Kanye West - G.O.O.D. Music (Spring) The Rocketboys - Build Anyway (June 5) Metric - Synthetica (June 12) Smashing Pumpkins - Oceania (June 19) Mindy Smith - Mindy Smith (June 26) Wesley Blaylock - Wesley Blaylock (June 26) House of Heroes - Cold Hard Want (July 10) P.O.D. - Murdered Love (July 10) Baroness - Yellow & Green (July 17) The Chariot - One Wing (August) Vinyl Thief (August) Converge - All We Love We Leave Behind (Summer) The Classic Crime (Summer) The Overseer (Summer) Muse (October) The Lulls In Traffic (Fall) Skillet (Fall) Deftones ("Late 2012") The Accident Experiment The Appleseed Cast Black Sabbath Bloc Party Brother Leather - Meat Mural Carrolhood Caspian Dependency Endeavor - Steadfast Fiction Family Glower Gray Lines of Perfection He Is Legend Hyland The Killers - Battle Born Low & Behold My Bloody Valentine The Myriad Over The Ocean P.O.S. Pompeii Sins Sixpence None The Richer - Lost In Transition Solace - Call & Response U2
2013 Releases?
Already Out, Need To Hear: Accents - Growth And Squalor Anthony Green - Beautiful Things Becoming The Archetype - Celestial Progression Cloud Nothings - Attack On Memory Demon Hunter - True Defiance Evans Blue - Graveyard of Empires Grimes - Visions Matt Skiba And The Sekrets - Babylon MxPx - Plans Within Plans The Panic Division - Eternalism S/S/S - Beak & Claw EP Say Anything - Anarchy, My Dear War of Ages - Return To Life
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2012, 04:58:19 PM » |
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Top 10:1. David Crowder Band - Give Us Rest or (A Requiem Mass in C [The Happiest of All Keys]) B+2. Sucré - A Minor Bird B+3. Punch Brothers - Who's Feeling Young Now? B+4. Butterfly Boucher - Butterfly Boucher B5. Andrew Bird - Break It Yourself B-Honorable Mention:Officer Negative - Existence Is an IllusionThe Rest:Zilch - NeutroniumDishonorable Mention:fun. - Some Nights D+Compilations/EPs/Singles/Re-releases:Eisley - Deep Space EP C+Josh Ritter - Bringing in the Darlings EP C-Barenaked Ladies - Stop Us If You've Heard This One Before C-Digesting:Norah Jones - Little Broken HeartsKutless - BelieverKevin Max - Fiefdom of Angels: Side OneJohn Mayer - Born and RaisedmewithoutYou - Ten StoriesJason Mraz - Love Is a Four-Letter WordThe Shins - Port of MorrowStarfield - The KingdomJaci Velasquez - DiamondSara Watkins - Sun Midnight SunAlready Released, Need to Hear It:Sarah Macintosh - CurrentEagerly Anticipating:House of Heroes - Cold Hard Want (July 10) Sixpence None the Richer - Lost in Transition (July) Relient K (Summer) Matchbox Twenty (September) Muse (Autumn) Anberlin Eisley Mew Paper Route - The Peace of Wild ThingsVampire Weekend Meagerly Anticipating:Sigur Rós - Valtari (May 28) The Temper Trap - The Temper Trap (June 5) Metric - Synthetica (June 12) Capital Lights - RhythmN'Moves (June 19) Linkin Park - Living Things (June 26) Mark Tremonti - All I Was (July 3) P.O.D. - Murdered Love (July 10) Alanis Morissette - Havoc and Bright Lights (August) Owl City (Summer/Autumn) Green Day - ¡Uno! (September 25) No Doubt (September 25) Animal Collective - Centipede Hz (September) Green Day - ¡Dos! (November 13) Empire of the Sun Fiction Family Grizzly Bear The Killers Pearl Jam Plumb - Faster than a BulletMorbidly Anticipating:Skillet (Autumn) Creed Rumors, Hearsay, and Development Hell:Michelle Branch - West Coast TimeDixie Chicks Future of Forestry Modest Mouse The Myriad Andrew Peterson The Polyphonic Spree Radiohead The River Empires - Mars/Brighton Part IISnowden Tool U2 Derek Webb See You in 2013:Five Iron Frenzy Green Day - ¡Tré! (January 15) Looking Back:2011 Music Journal2010 Music Journal2009 Music Journal2008 Music Journal2007 Music Journal2006 Music Journal2005 Music Journal2004 Music Journal2003 Music Journal1991-2002 Music Journals How My Grades Work: A+: The rarest of the rare. An artistic achievement and a highly listenable collection of tunes. Flaws are negligible or nonexistent. Such outstanding work that I would recommend it to almost anyone with no hesitation. A: An awesome and unique piece of work. Not quite at the level of greatness to be considered an undisputed classic, but any weaknesses present are nitpicks at best. A-: Impressively consistent, with most tracks being highlights. Maybe an occasional weaker track here and there, but still no major flaws. B+: Incredibly solid, with the occasional middling track or two keeping an "A" grade just out of reach, but no major screw-ups. The highest grade that I will likely feel compelled to "gush" about. B: Good job. Might not get me totally excited, but still a largely positive and enjoyable listening experience. Worth a try for those on the fence about the artist. B-: Reasonably enjoyable. Still above average, but inconsistent. Highlights tend to stand in stark comparison next to mostly average tracks (and maybe a few bad ones). C+: Just slightly above average. Aside from one or two notable highlights, it either blends in with the middle of the road, or demonstrates a volatile level of inconsistency from one track to another, to the point where it makes getting through the album difficult despite the strong points. C: Shows a bare minimum of competence, and little more. There are likely few highlights that would compel me to go back to it, but I might still give it a recommendation to existing fans with several caveats attached. C-: The point where the flaws outweigh the highlights. Stronger tracks might show promise of better work ahead, but the net balance is disappointingly sub-par. D+: Mediocre. Highlights are a surprising exception to the disappointing rule here. D: Pretty lousy, but not to the point where its failures are the stuff of legend. D-: Astonishingly bad; approaching the point of dismal failure, but with the occasional glimmer of decency here and there. F+: A thoroughly dull or obnoxious record, with any brief redeeming factors causing a reaction such as, "Wow, where the hell did that come from?" F: Complete and utter failure. Not a single redeeming quality to be found. F-: The lowest level of musical hell. I wouldn't wish it upon a mortal enemy. You pretty much have to be trying to suck this hard.
How My Lists Work: Top 10/20 - Keeps track of my 10 favorites as the year progression, and is expanded to 20 items once at least 10 or more fill up the "Honorable Mention" list. Must rank at least a B- to be included. Honorable Mention - Items #11-20 after the "Top 10", or items #21-30 after the "Top 20", depending on how much there is to fill the first list. Must rank at least a B- to be included. The Rest - Everything not good enough for "Honorable Mention" (usually starting with some B- albums that didn't make the cut for that list), but still decent enough to warrant a cautious recommendation (ranking a straight C or higher). Dishonorable Mention - The worst 20 items on the list. Must rank a C- or lower to qualify. Basically, anything that I don't enjoy enough to recommend as a whole, even with reservations. #1 is the absolute worst in this case. Don't Get It, So I Can't Rate It: Music that I personally couldn't get into, but that I can see is well-respected enough by others that it doesn't seem fair for someone like me, who has a limited perspective on their music, to give it a low grade. Established artists who I have rated before and feel comfortable evaluating based on their previous work should never end up here - it's generally reserved for artists I'm trying for the first time who end up being too "out-there" for me to really form a solid opinion. Compilations/EPs/Singles - Anything that isn't long enough to be considered an "album", or that consists largely of previously released recordings. My "Top Albums" list is almost exclusively reserved for new material, or at least new recordings of said material. Digesting: Albums that I'm still listening to, and don't feel ready to rate just yet. Downloaded It, Need to Listen to It: Albums that physically exist on my computer, that I need to remind myself to sit down and listen to. Already Released, Need to Hear It: Anything from my "Anticipating" lists that is already available for purchase - when the "Digesting" list starts to get shorter, this is where I will look for new things to listen to first. Eagerly Anticipating: The upcoming releases that I am looking forward to the most, based on past performances of the artists involved. Many of these will be "automatic buys" for me when they are released. Meagerly Ancitipating: Albums that I'm sort of looking forward to - I don't expect them to be bad, but I don't expect to totally fall in love with them, either. Morbidly Anticipating: Stuff that I expect to suck, but will still listen to, in the interest of fairness (or because I'm running low on things to make fun of.) Rumors, Hearsay & Development Hell: Stuff that would be on one of the "Anticipated" lists, but based on a lack of news updates or evidence of progress being made in the studio (or an actual known release date), I don't expect it to see the light of day this year, assuming it exists at all. See You in 2013: Stuff that I've been given good reason to expect it will see an actual release date next year.
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zilch as in the guys who made up the dctalk backing band in the 90s? 
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« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2012, 05:56:50 PM » |
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Updated: 5/19/2012
(* denotes albums I have heard in their entirety, but do not own.) Top 10 (so far): 1. Lauren Mann and the Fairly Odd Folk: Over Land and Sea (A-) 2. Sons: Keep Quiet (A-) 3. David Crowder Band: Give Us Rest or (a Requiem Mass in C [The Happiest of All Keys!]) (A-) 4. Lovedrug: Wild Blood (B+) 5. Sugar and the Hi Lows: self-titled (B+) 6. Sarah MacIntosh: Current (*) (B )
The Next 10: (Wait for the above section to fill first)
Honorable Mention: (See above)
Mild Recommendations: (Null set)
Nah: Lindsay McCaul: If It Leads Me Back (*) (C )
EPs, Live Albums, Greatest Hits, etc.: Resurrection Lake: Quiet Despair (*) (B )
Currently Digesting: Ascend The Hill: O Ransomed Son (Currently streaming on Relevant Magazine's "The Drop.")
Current Releases I Plan to Check Out: Kevin Max: The Fiefdom of Angels, Side 1 EP
Current Releases That Somewhat Intrigue Me: Dave Barnes: Stories to Tell Eisley: Deep Space EP fun.: Some Nights mewithoutYou: Ten Stories Sucre': A Minor Bird
Currently Releases That I May Check Out - if I'm Feeling Particularly Masochistic: Kutless: Believer
Eagerly Anticipating: Anberlin Future of Forestry The Hawk in Paris - (in studio) House of Heroes: Cold Hard Want - 7/10 Paper Route: The Peace of Wild Things Andrew Peterson: Light For The Lost Boy - 8/21 Relient K The Rocket Summer: Life Will Write the Words - 6/5 Seabird Sixpence None the Richer: Lost in Transition U2
Somewhat Anticipating: Anchor and Braille: The Quiet Life - 7/31 Capital Lights: Rhythm N Moves - 7/17 Children 18:3: On The Run - 6/19 The Classic Crime Fiction Family Mumford and Sons
Morbidly Anticipating: Creed
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- Phil V.  My current pub songs: Andrew Peterson: "The Reckoning (How Long)" (from Counting Stars) Jars of Clay: "Out of My Hands" (from an upcoming release) The Mynabirds: "Numbers Don't Lie" (from What We Lose in the Fire We Gain in the Flood)
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2012, 09:31:02 AM » |
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Enjoyed: David Crowder Band--Give Us Rest or (a Requiem Mass in C [The Happiest of All Keys!]) Snow Patrol--Fallen Empires Sons--Keep Quiet Rosie Thomas--With Love The Fray--Scars and Stories Safetysuit--These Times
Anticipating: Anberlin - June David Crowder Band: Give Us Rest or (a Requiem Mass in C [The Happiest of All Keys!]) - 1/10 Eisley: Deep Space - 2/14 Future of Forestry Paper Route: The Peace of Wild Things The Rocket Summer Seabird U2 Fiction Family mewithoutYou: 5 Avett Brothers Mumford and Sons
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"When we spend so much time promoting everything we're against that the message of who we are for gets lost, when Christians are putting everyone else down, how is Jesus lifted up in that?." Doug Fields
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2012, 11:54:58 AM » |
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Love It
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EPs, Live Albums, Cover Albums, Etc.
Digesting David Crowder Band - Give Us Rest... Kayo Dot - Gamma Knife Cloud Nothings - Attack on Memory Foxy Shazam! - The Church of Rock and Roll Super Mash Bros. - Mile(y) High Club John Talabot - ƒin Sleigh Bells - Reign of Terror Frankie Rose - Interstellar Grimes - Visions fun. - Some Nights of Montreal - Paralytic Stalks No Trigger - Tycoon Lambchop - Mr. M
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Fallen Empires is 2011 guys.
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2012, 02:35:09 PM » |
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Fallen Empires is 2011 guys.
it released overseas in 2011, but not until this past week in the U.S.
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Ah! Well in that case I'll add it to my list 
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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2012, 05:58:52 PM » |
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Morbidly Anticipating: Kutless: Believer - 2/28
Sweet! I was just thinking the other day that I haven't the chance to make fun of them for a while.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2012, 06:06:46 PM » |
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zilch as in the guys who made up the dctalk backing band in the 90s?  Just in case you or other folks didn't catch on, I was simply coming up with creative ways to say "Zero" or "Nothing" when I didn't have anything to put in a list yet. I guess that flew over people's heads because I was using real band names this time and just parodying their album titles.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2012, 07:39:08 PM » |
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Eagerly Anticipating: Five Iron Frenzy
Not sure if you know this, but their new album isn't coming out until 2013.
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Not sure if you know this, but their new album isn't coming out until 2013.
Didn't know that. I guess that gives them more time to get it right.
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EPs, Reissues, Live Albums, Greatest Hits, etc.:
Currently Digesting: Leonard Cohen - Old Ideas Punch Brothers - Who's Feeling Young Now? Chuck Prophet - Temple Beautiful Ravi Shankar - Nine Decades Volume 2: Reminiscence of North Vista
Ratings Guide (stolen from Popmatters): 10 - The Best of the Best 9 - Very Nearly Perfect 8 - Excellent 7 - Damn Good 6 - Good 5 - Average 4 - Unexceptional 3 - Weak 2 - Seriously Flawed 1 - Terrible
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