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« on: July 05, 2003, 01:03:22 PM » |
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Okay... the new phorum needs more Donnie Darko discussion.
What do you guys think the ear-muffs symbolize?
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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2003, 01:11:18 PM » |
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chut up!!
Hmm, possibly the girl(I've forgotten her name) has been made fun of by pretty much everyone around her. The ear muffs could symbolize her withdrawal from being subject to other people's opinions, because they hurt to much.
Hmm, I am going to need to watch it again...
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Vlad!
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2003, 08:04:30 PM » |
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Cherita Chan, I think.
I'm not sure they have to symbolize anything, really. However, I think they might have been (as David said) a way to withdraw from reality. You'll notice that Donnie was smiling when he had them on; maybe it suggests that he enjoyed a brief respite from his own somewhat tortured reality. Or maybe he was just chuckling at her odd behavior.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2003, 10:03:33 PM » |
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I think they symbolize something. Why else would he put them in there... and the way he went up to her and said, "someday things will be better for you... I promise..." I think that was one of the biggest turning points for him... it showed that he had begun to think with other's interests in mind, and was forshadowing for the ending...
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2003, 05:11:39 PM » |
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I think they symbolize something. Why else would he put them in there... and the way he went up to her and said, "someday things will be better for you... I promise..." I think that was one of the biggest turning points for him... it showed that he had begun to think with other's interests in mind, and was forshadowing for the ending... I think you might be right about that scene as a turning point, but I don't see why that means the earmuffs symbolize anything... |
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2003, 06:06:51 PM » |
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I haven't seen the film(probably won't for a while, as its rated R.), but I don't think that everything in a film must represent something. Some times certain things are symbolic, other times its just something the characters are wearing. I don't try to read to much into art thats not pretty clearly presented as being there in the first place. I know others are different with that, and I respect that, but it doesn't work for me.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2003, 07:33:24 PM » |
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just now as I was checking blockbuster.com's recommended movie list for me, I found that they say I will "really like" Donnie Darko. so far it is the only one in the "really like" category, so since the library doesn't have it so I'll have to look for it at the video store.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2003, 07:53:25 PM » |
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Well, it is kind of odd that the character wears ear muffs. Although it is nearing winter, you don't see anyone else wearing anything else like ear muffs to protect themselves from the cold... so it's not like it's really cold out there. Donnie Darko is just one of those movies where you must assume something is a symbol unless you are certain it is not.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2003, 09:45:54 PM » |
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I haven't seen the film(probably won't for a while, as its rated R.), but I don't think that everything in a film must represent something. Some times certain things are symbolic, other times its just something the characters are wearing. I don't try to read to much into art thats not pretty clearly presented as being there in the first place. I know others are different with that, and I respect that, but it doesn't work for me. Well put. I agree with you that sometimes things just are in a movie, and there's no real reason behind it. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2003, 07:07:36 PM » |
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But then again there are also lots of times in a movie that pass right over my head the first couple times I see it and then I start to wonder, "why did the director decide to do that random thing??" like the time right before the jet engine crashes through the house the camera goes up and takes a glance at the chandelire... (sp?) I know that was for a reason, cause why else would he randomly do that??
And then there's also the time that the camera focuses on that weird swirl on the jet engine... what the heck is that supposed to mean?
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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2003, 08:37:47 PM » |
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I think the focus on the chandelier (it doesn't look right, but I think that's how it's spelled...) when Donnie was leaving was to add an element of surrealism...when the camera came back down, he was already mostly out the door. Before the crash, it was something to focus on because chandeliers are fairly fragile and Kelly probably thought it was a good effect to show it swinging and breaking from the impact.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2003, 10:31:45 PM » |
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I think the swirls on the jet engine foreshadow the time travel. In most movies whe a person travels through time he travels through those little swirls. And im pretty sure that the airline company (i forget the name) puts those swirls on all their planes. A friend told me that. And i think the ear muffs are what cherita used to block out the voices of the other classmates. It does not neccesarily have to be a symbol. And i was wondering if anyone had any ideas of what that smurf talk was in there for. Maybe just to show the usual talk and life Donnie and his friends?
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2003, 11:46:30 AM » |
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2003, 11:57:14 AM » |
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I think the film has a lot of quirks and eccentricities that exist largely to lend the movie atmosphere and character; they probably weren't meant to "mean" anything beyond that. Several of the examples mentioned in this thread can probably be filed under this categorey.
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2003, 12:25:22 PM » |
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Just as Smurfette was absorbed into an essentially alien culture, so do those who stand out due to their innate ability and internal beauty eventually become part of the homogeneous and superficial culture of our modern world! ..er, yeah. Or not. Random banter is probably a better choice  |
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2003, 11:58:34 AM » |
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I actually love the Smurf scene. Because it has so much contrast in the Donnie we see at the end of the movie than the Donnie at the beginning.
At the end of that scene he says, "What's the point of living if you don't have a dick?"
But at the end of the movie, we see his sacrifice as a self-less human being who cares more about others than he does about himself or his pleasures.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2003, 12:00:30 PM » |
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By the way... does anyone know of any girls at all who like this moive? All the ones I know of who have seen it hate it.
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« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2003, 12:34:33 PM » |
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I believe it was on Amber's list wasn't it?
Also, I liked the whole Smurf talk thing because I think it showed a fairly major difference between Donnie and his friends. Donnie is not ignorant, he isn't willing to just let something slip into his brain unless it makes sense. Whereas his friends seem to be able to believe anything even if there is no logic behind it...
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rebel546
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2003, 09:22:57 PM » |
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I also like the part where he smokes. That, again, shows the difference between him and his friends. Yes, he accepts the cigarrette, but when asked,
"Good sh--, huh?"
he merely responds,
"It's a f---ing cigarrette."
Meaning he doesn't really fall to the grips of this world, even though at times he enjoys them. And in that same scene, he defends Chereta, which shows that his heart is in the right place. Though he may be rebelling against every authority by smoking, he still doesn't want Chereta to be made fun of. Kinda like Christ, huh? Rebelling against authority, but caring for the well-being of others.
Vlad! and I had an interesting discussion tonight about the trampoline. What do the rest of you think it symbolizes, if anything.
Keep in mind it is shown in the end scene... which means it is important somehow...
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