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« on: October 11, 2003, 09:25:00 PM » |
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I got there CD a while ago and got Rokran to buy it. I think its really good. Just want to know everyones opinions on them. He has a nice voice, but I don't like his screaming. Sounds like hes being throttled while drinking acid!  |
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2003, 10:23:03 PM » |
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I am n aturally predisposed to not like anything that is on Wind-up. But can you give me an example of screaming that you do like?
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2003, 10:24:14 PM » |
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Sounds like hes being throttled while drinking acid! Oh, c'mon. He's not that bad. And how do you know what someone being throttled while drinking acid sounds like?   True, 12 Stones' screaming can't compare to Chester's, but its ok. |
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2003, 10:30:33 PM » |
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I think Chester Bennington is good at screaming. Believe me, screaming to a tune is very dificult and takes a ton of practice... Rokran, If i heard someone being throttled while drinkin acid, I'd think it would sound like the 12 stones guy... To go OT... I got first degree frontbite from that Green Gas incident earlier...  :zoinks: |
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2003, 08:51:40 AM » |
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I agree with Skraps regarding Wind-up as being the label of Satan.
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2003, 10:31:08 AM » |
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I think Chester Bennington is good at screaming. Believe me, screaming to a tune is very dificult and takes a ton of practice... Actually, if you listen to Meteora, most of Chester's screaming is modded and effected, whereas people like Dead Poetic actually use what goes into the mic. And it's not that hard to scream well, just put some honey in your tea afterwards. Skraps |
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2003, 02:11:42 PM » |
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Yes, some of it is edited, but if you listen to Hybrid Theory, I don't think any of it is... You listened to Meteora  ? |
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2003, 07:29:51 PM » |
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Well sure. It's trash music, really, but it's alright if I'm asleep in the car or something.
Little story: this disc I burned has both A Rush of Blood, Music has the Right To Children, Sumday, and Meteora by Coldplay, Boards of Canada, Grandaddy, and LP respectively. It had come to the place on the disc (mp3 disc of course) where it was playing song #4 on Meteora and I thought to myself, gee this sucks enough for me to break inertia. So I changed it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2003, 10:11:53 PM » |
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For a creed soundalike 12 stones isn't that bad (at least the voice is different), they just need to learn how to right a good chorus.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2003, 11:28:10 PM » |
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Well I suppose an argument can be made that every bit of pop is derivative of something else, even, yes even Radiohead.
But really, a band that's derivitave of another band that derivitave of another band that was only medeocre. How can that possibly be good? It's not like these people are building upon some sort of noble tradition or school of thought (like Romanticism or Post-modernist painters).
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2003, 07:33:12 AM » |
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Well I suppose an argument can be made that every bit of pop is derivative of something else, even, yes even Radiohead. Yes. When we call a band "original", we are doing so in reference to how fresh they sound after combining all their influences, hopefully in a seamless and beautiful way. It allows us to make connections that we never made before, hence, it is called original. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2003, 10:47:44 AM » |
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In that line of thinking, nothing is really original. Which makes sense, I suppose.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2003, 03:57:29 PM » |
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pssh "how unoriginal" =D
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2003, 12:48:44 PM » |
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Only God can be truly original and truly creative.
"Poets are thieves."
For that matter, all artists are thieves.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2003, 12:53:44 PM » |
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"Every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief"
U2, "The Fly"
True orginality is impossible, but that doesn't mean we need to endorse formulatic efforts and blatant ripoffs.
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2003, 02:27:28 PM » |
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Word to Dv. Art is theft, but creativity and imagination are to be lauded, and formulaic, unoriginal art is to be shunned.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2003, 03:42:01 PM » |
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Word to Dv. Art is theft, but creativity and imagination are to be lauded, and formulaic, unoriginal art is to be shunned. Unless you happen to like said formulaic, unoriginal art. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2003, 08:21:58 PM » |
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Well, it's certainly fine to enjoy that sort of thing, but we're talking about critical thinking (which we should all participate in) rather than personal preferences. I have no problem with pholks liking forumulaic, unoriginal music, but it's still poor music, plain and simple.
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2003, 09:10:38 PM » |
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Unless you happen to like said formulaic, unoriginal art. So then you listen to Linkin Park. Skraps |
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2003, 03:29:21 AM » |
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Well, it's certainly fine to enjoy that sort of thing, but we're talking about critical thinking (which we should all participate in) rather than personal preferences. I have no problem with pholks liking forumulaic, unoriginal music, but it's still poor music, plain and simple. At its best I just tend to see it as music that serves a different function. There is a lot of art that I appreciate but can't really get into. And there's a lot of music that I don't consider art in the truest sense of the word, but I still enjoy listening to despite the ways in which it takes the easy way out. Basically, if you take the easy way out, you lose a star, and the rest of my rating is entirely based on how much fun you are to listen to. And that's why, although I hate to admit it, Meteora is still getting more spins in my CD player than say, Ohio. |
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2003, 12:54:08 PM » |
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Btw, when I said only God can be truly creative and original, I was not suggesting that artists should throw in the towel in creativity. Obviously, there is a certain level of creativity and originality that humans can obtain. Otherwise, art wouldn't have changed as much as it has over the course of human history.
Obviously, some type of form in art is good. That's why in music we have songs and albums. In literature, we have poems, novels, short stories and essays. In art, we have paintings, pictures, portfolios. In drama, there are plays, skits, and such. And each breaks down in certain form. Since we're talking about music... Songs often are composed of verses, choruses and bridges. The job of the artist is to either break those conventions (and break them well) or use them in an artistic way and make a very good song.
Now, certain music is less original than others, but music can serve several purposes. Some people aren't interested in expanding their horizon, and just want something they can cruise to or dance to. Others likes stuff that makes you think (which doesn't mean the music is good, btw). Others like virtuosity, people who know how to play instruments very well and skillfully. Others like musicians who are good songwriters. Maybe they're not the best musician when it comes to skill, but they can make a mean song. Take note, I'm not saying there therefore isn't good or bad music. There definitely is, and I think as Christians we should strive for excellence in everything. But, music is entertainment too. And even if it's poor art, it could still be good entertainment.
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2003, 01:10:57 PM » |
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True. And while I don't subscribe 100% to the "here we are now, entertain us" philosophy, I do think that some people underestimate that component of music. Me, I like a balance, and it's hard to get that balance with a single artist. Some artist are going to leave me gleefully intrigued and maybe confused, but not so much entertained. Others will do the opposite. I tend to give higher critical marks to the former, but listen to the latter more frequently because the former requires me to be in a certain mood.
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2003, 04:24:50 PM » |
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I'm re-listening to the 12 Stones CD right now... man, this thing deserves to be reamed six ways from Sunday in much the same way I did to Kutless.
NP: "In My Head", 12 Stones
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2003, 05:03:47 PM » |
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My favs are Crash, fade away, and possibly in my head. Too bad you don't like them...
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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2003, 05:36:52 PM » |
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I'm re-listening to the 12 Stones CD right now... man, this thing deserves to be reamed six ways from Sunday in much the same way I did to Kutless.
NP: "In My Head", 12 Stones Can we have some reasons why? |
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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2003, 05:47:43 PM » |
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OH MY GOODNESS I HAVE TWELVE STONES! GET ME A DOCTOR!
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2003, 06:20:39 PM » |
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OH MY GOODNESS I HAVE TWELVE STONES! GET ME A DOCTOR!
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2003, 06:39:48 PM » |
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Or Flaming lips... Skraps |
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2003, 10:47:44 PM » |
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Can we have some reasons why? Try checking out his Kutless review. I think the same principle probably applies here. |
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« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2003, 03:10:37 AM » |
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Actually, in terms of screaming with no apparent purpose other than 'cause it what's all the cool kids do, 12 Stones is worse than Kutless. They come out slightly ahead of Kutless overall, though, because their guitarist can actually play a decent solo and they don't make any concessions to having an obvious CHR hit. (It's still inexplicable to me how they made it onto WoW 2004.)
Kutless, I was at least able to listen through that CD enough times to review it intelligently. 12 Stones tries my patience enough that I might not even bother.
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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2003, 09:09:18 AM » |
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Or Flaming lips... Skraps Ouch! |
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