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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2003, 11:14:34 AM » |
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Ha! When fanboys attack volume 1!
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2003, 11:28:57 AM » |
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Wow, those guys got pretty upset. There was one guy (the one who challenged Josh to do better himself) that made me really mad--that's so illogical, I wanted to reply and try to show him what an idiot he is. But YaBB doesn't allow guest posters, and I didn't want to go through all the touchy-feely signup stuff just to show this one guy that his head and his butt seem to have exchaged places sometime during the night...
Anyway, I'm glad you guys have more open minds (and a better understanding of metaphor ;]) than the posters at that board...
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2003, 11:43:09 AM » |
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i tried to straighten them out a bit, but then i got scolded . . . heh
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2003, 11:53:39 AM » |
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I don't see your reply...did they moderate you and delete it?  EDIT: Never mind, I forgot that there was a second page  |
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2003, 12:15:56 PM » |
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I couldn't hold it back: I did sign up (gag) and reply. I guess I should have been a little less harsh, but one good bash deserves another [_[
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2003, 12:22:03 PM » |
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Josh is great, and not to diss you bro.....but I also think that Sarah made some good points to consider. latinchic   |
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2003, 01:41:11 PM » |
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From robkat's last post on the above thread: Vlad, your name seems to suit you.
He just called you Count Dracula! But anyways, I hate when people say "Oh, this is worship, you can't criticize it any way!" Now, I don't believe should be making fun of that off key guy next to you at church on Sunday, but when we are buying a CD, can't we demand that it be high quality and stand out? |
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2003, 01:59:51 PM » |
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Yeah, the comparison between me and Vlaad the Impaler has been made before...
I'm not saying Sarah didn't make some good points. In fact, I'm not saying that Josh's review was in any way correct (you'll notice I tried not to debate on the correctness of Josh's points). I'm just saying that he has the right to his own opinion, and attacking his review (and him!) the way they did was a little bit of an extreme reaction...
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2003, 02:14:03 PM » |
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The funny thing is, though those guys are WAY too over-the-top fanatical about Downhere, that thread could easily appear on our board from a few people if they posted a negative review of U2... He just called you Count Dracula! But anyways, I hate when people say "Oh, this is worship, you can't criticize it any way!" Now, I don't believe should be making fun of that off key guy next to you at church on Sunday, but when we are buying a CD, can't we demand that it be high quality and stand out? Agreed. If they were playing as a church band on Sunday morning, I don't think Josh would walk up to them and criticize their performance...but they're selling their worship as a comercial product, and in a review it should be treated as such. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2003, 02:19:53 PM » |
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The funny thing is, though those guys are WAY too over-the-top fanatical about Downhere, that thread could easily appear on our board from a few people if they posted a negative review of U2... WHAT! you don't like U2? you're such a ... oh, right, it was an example . . . i think one of the more interesting statements in the midst of that nonsense . . . "My opinion cannot be wrong, because its mine, so I reserve the right to have it." yeah, so ... go ahead and discuss that amongst yourselves for a bit... peace . . . love . . . bdg . . . |
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2003, 03:37:55 PM » |
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I think Josh's review was quite clear about the distinction between the lyrics that struck him as mediocre and those that seemed worthy of deeper thought. I also think the "disgusting fungus" metaphore was perfectly appropriate; if some people don't understand what he meant, that's their fault, and they owe it to Josh and to themselves to give it a little more consideration before launching their verbal WMD.
On the other hand, I think Sarah has a point about considering why a band might choose to simplify arrangements, and just exactly what they are trying to accomplish with their music. Maybe we can learn something from the DHB criticism of our criticism, if we can manage to seperate the wheat from the (all to prevelant) chaff.
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2003, 03:43:36 PM » |
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"My opinion cannot be wrong, because its mine, so I reserve the right to have it."
yeah, so ... go ahead and discuss that amongst yourselves for a bit... Man, I wish I had caught that...if there was ever a more postmodern (and incorrect) statement, I have yet to see it. Your opinion can be wrong. It is yours, and I can't change that. But the fact that it's your opinion doesn't make it right. For example, it's Josh's opinion that Downhere's latest album was mediocre. That's his opinion, and those guys spent two pages (ok, I helped) talking about how wrong he was. What the person was undoubtedly TRYING to say was "My interpretation can't be wrong, because it's mine." While still not true, it's MORE true (if that's even possible...can something be more true but still be false? I should say "it's true in more circumstances") than the previous statement. Because it's her interpretation that the album in question is God-sent and all minions on the earth should bow down (at least, that's what I got from the discussion =D), and surely that is her interpretation--so in that sense, it's true. But when she tries to shove her interpretation onto other people, it's open to as much criticism as she was giving Josh. *pant pant* By the way, I set my avatar on that forum to be a llama, because that seems to be my status over there. Clever, eh?  |
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2003, 04:04:30 PM » |
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You want a scathing U2 criticism? Here we go: I think that the second half of ATYCLB was a little weak. There, I got that out of me..... Anyways, I just read the review for the first time in order to understand what was going on, and I have to say that it actually got me a little interested in the band. I may have to check out that first album of their's. So, it actually did the band some service! |
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2003, 04:16:55 PM » |
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Well, that was pretty darn entertaining. Can't wait to see what Josh thought of that.
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2003, 07:29:18 PM » |
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You want a scathing U2 criticism? Here we go: I think that the second half of ATYCLB was a little weak. There, I got that out of me..... Anyways, I just read the review for the first time in order to understand what was going on, and I have to say that it actually got me a little interested in the band. I may have to check out that first album of their's. So, it actually did the band some service! Yeah, I thought the review was pretty positive, myself...I guess he didn't tell us to bow down in reverence to the greatest thing since the last great thing the way he should have  |
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2003, 10:49:27 AM » |
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Yeah, I was curious about that reaction...oh, well, I guess it's for the best; we should probably let them live in their own little bubble without stirring things up too much. It doesn't look like they handle that too well |
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2003, 11:57:31 AM » |
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derek webb :: the Church
the rebel base :: the downhere boards
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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2003, 12:43:53 PM » |
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derek webb :: the Church
the rebel base :: the downhere boards
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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2003, 11:27:03 PM » |
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:: (which is different than C++'s inheritance operator in this case, thank heaven ;]) is used as 'is to' in analogies, especially on the SAT.
So Derek Webb is to the Church as TRB is to the Downhere boards.
I'm afraid I haven't heard Webb's latest album, but if Andrea and Josh are correct (and I guess I should probably trust them on this, scary as that concept is) then it's meaningful and worthwhile. But I'd guess it stirs things up a bit as far as your normal churchgoing, formula-following, Downhere-listening (heh, just kidding on that last one) fundamentalist is concerned.
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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2003, 11:37:22 PM » |
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The Rebel Base is more controversial and more realistic than the Downhere boards, partly because we're open about reality and don't try to brush things about the world we think are bad under the rug. In the same way (I presume), Webb is open and honest about the depravity the world can offer and some of the things that are wrong with the church today (like I said, I'm guessing here ). |
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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2003, 10:46:41 AM » |
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Vlad! is so smart . . .
escpecially for a duck . . .
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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2003, 06:32:04 PM » |
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Oh, good. I offended some people. Frankly, that always excited me, probably more than it should.
Thanks to all of you who stood up for me; you pholks are great. To be honest, though, I probably wouldn't have wasted time on these people, myself. Really, nobody there made any points that I felt were smart enough to justify a response...
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« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2003, 09:13:03 PM » |
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Oh, good. I offended some people. Frankly, that always excited me, probably more than it should.
Thanks to all of you who stood up for me; you pholks are great. To be honest, though, I probably wouldn't have wasted time on these people, myself. Really, nobody there made any points that I felt were smart enough to justify a response... not even me? peace . . . love . . . bdg . . . |
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« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2003, 09:40:25 PM » |
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I was speaking strictly about the fanboys. You are most certainly excluded. =)
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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2003, 11:47:32 AM » |
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Thanks to all of you who stood up for me; you pholks are great. To be honest, though, I probably wouldn't have wasted time on these people, myself. Really, nobody there made any points that I felt were smart enough to justify a response... You're quite welcome, Josh; I may disagree with you, but I don't like to see complete strangers dissing you As to why I responded, it was mainly a reaction to a (now deleted) reply to that thread that went beyond attacking your review and actually engaged in some ad hominim attacks against you as the reviewer and our site as an objective resource for quality criticism. As for why I bothered to reply at all, I'm so used to dealing with the intelligent and open-minded people on this phorum I forgot that not everybody is as responisve to logic and attempts to start a rational debate. As I mentioned in the Off-topic board, they didn't really seem to know what to do with a dissenting opinion; they had gone out of their way to form a little bubble world where everyone agreed with one another. Anyway, I'm just glad to put this incident behind us |
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