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« on: October 29, 2003, 05:31:09 PM » |
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Why couldn't the disciples figure out metaphors and parables for themselves? The answers are so obvious, that after reading the first line of a parable, I can tell what He's trying to say already.
But the disciples always have to ask what they mean.
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2003, 06:01:28 PM » |
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I dun't know. Maybe their mindset was so strikingly different from ours (expecting an earthly king and rule) that they tried to force the parables into their own paradigm.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2003, 06:23:18 PM » |
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And remember, at the time, the parables Jesus was telling His disciples and others were new. These parables, however, are now apart of the Church tradition. It's apart of our "cultural baggage". So, they've already been explained and picked apart. Still, sometimes I read parables and see something new that I didn't see before. Who knows.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2003, 06:29:54 PM » |
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I can figure it out because I have almost 2000 years' worth of hindsight. As Skraps said, this was all new to them. Maybe after having walked with him for like two, three years they should have been more quick on the uptake, but especially at the beginning I can see why they'd have trouble seeing the nuances.
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2003, 07:16:42 PM » |
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It's not at all farfetched to assert that God hardened their hearts, though the Bible never explicitly says that, either.
But yeah, it's much easier to understand them in hindsight.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2003, 07:19:57 PM » |
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We have been raised up with the parables since we were little babies. Its going to be easier for us. We understand the parable concept, while the disciples were wondering what in the world Jesus was talking about, with mustards seed and oil lamps and stuff.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2003, 10:48:28 PM » |
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It's almost ironic that they didn't understand the parables because of their ingrained thought and training, but that we don't understand how they couldn't because of ours. It's that we see so little of what undergirds what we know and think, and that it takes a question like this to reveal that we are in a great way products of so many unfelt influences.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2003, 03:30:05 PM » |
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... or perhaps they weren't very bright? ..
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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2003, 10:53:47 PM » |
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No, most of the disciples weren't great scholars and theologians. However, without the knowledge we have now I doubt we'd act any different if put in their position.
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2003, 04:51:32 PM » |
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... or perhaps they weren't very bright? .. But the Pharisees and lawyers had trouble with Jesus and his parables sometimes, and they were very bright. Skraps |
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2003, 05:48:19 PM » |
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ahhh, good point skraps. Good point.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2003, 05:38:30 PM » |
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But the Pharisees and lawyers had trouble with Jesus and his parables sometimes, and they were very bright.
Skraps I dunno, man, the disciples seemed to get it better than the Pharasees did. Though none of them really seemed to get his parables. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2003, 10:22:50 PM » |
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Were you raised a Christian? When I first became a Christian, it sometimes took me a long time to understand what Jesus was trying to say. If you haven't been raised around a bunch of "Christianese" it is difficult to pinpoint exactly what he is trying to get at.
I remember being bewildered at the "new wine in old wineskins" verse. =)
If you think about it, the disciples didn't even want to believe that Jesus was going to die, so how could they understand a lot of what he was trying to say about the new covenant? It must have been difficult enough for them to grasp that Jesus was God, let alone that he was going to die for them. Remember that the Jews expected the Messiah to come with flaming swords and what-not to save Israel - and instead they ended up following a carpenter who spoke in parables. It must have been kind of confusing.
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2003, 06:24:19 PM » |
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If you haven't been raised around a bunch of "Christianese" it is difficult to pinpoint exactly what he is trying to get at.
i think you have a point, there. even further, though...it's nearly impossible to grow up in our culture without knowing at least a little bit about the gospel, even if you don't grow up in a christian family. think about christmas. it may have turned into a santa thing, but most americans still know at least part of the story of baby jesus, even if they don't believe it. i don't think we realize how "christian" the roots of our culture really is. we live in a new testament world, but the disciples had been firmly taught the ways of the old testament. jesus was a revolutionary , and i don't think we can ever understand what it was like to be a jew before jesus came onto the scene. |
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