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« on: July 11, 2003, 09:06:09 AM » |
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i've noticed alot of you really love madeleine l'engle. i adore "a wrinkle in time," i even own a signed copy. i've read a little bit of her other fiction too, but i havent heard much about her in a long time. when did she become so popular amongst the lot of you?
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\"I haven't come for only you, but for my people to pursue. you cannot care for Me with no regard for Her; if you love Me you will love the Church.\"
\"i am a whore i do confess, i put You on just like a wedding dress and i run down the aisle, run down the aisle. i'm a prodical with no way home, i put You on just like a ring of gold and i run down the aisle, i run down the aisle to You.\"
-- Derek Webb, She must and Shall Go Free
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Vlad!
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2003, 10:40:44 AM » |
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I read A Wrinkle in Time and A Wind in the Door when I was quite young. I started reading A Swiftly Tilting Planet, but it was strange so I stopped. The former two were quite good, as I recall, though I'm sure I couldn't tell you much about either one now. I own another of her books that my mom gave me a while back, but I never read it and I'll be darned if I can even remember the title now...
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2003, 12:42:05 PM » |
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Since I'm a huge Nichole Nordeman fan and she mentioned how much she loved Walking on Water, I decided to check it out myself sometime. Two years later, I finally did. I saw it at the library recently and checked it out and ended up being totally blown away by it. A couple weeks ago, I checked out one of her novels, A Live Coal In the Sea, which was also excellent. L'Engle writes in a very down-to-earth, real way and I think that's one of the reasons why I love her work so much.
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My Journal*My Poetry\"The quiche made me look fat.\" --Kirk, from Gilmore Girls when Lorelai asked why he was in a hot dog suit
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2003, 11:09:17 AM » |
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2003, 11:48:59 AM » |
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Everyday Apocalypse? I have seen that book in the library, and assumed that it was a rant on how we are in the endtimes because of evil bands like Radiohead, and shows like the Simpsons. Never judge a book by its title, I guess.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2003, 11:52:57 AM » |
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No, not at all; Dark asserts that the original meaning of the word "apocalypse" has more to do with revelation than destruction, so the book has absoulutely nothing to do with the end times.
The chapter on Radiohead gave me a brand new appreciation for Kid A, which I've grown to love just as much as OK Computer. An excellent book.
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2003, 04:20:58 PM » |
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ouch Josh! so Mark, how about a rebuttle?
i'll have to check out that everyday apocalypse book, josh. and speaking of radiohead, guess who just bought tickets to their august 20th show in maryland...oh yeah, thats right, ME!
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\"I haven't come for only you, but for my people to pursue. you cannot care for Me with no regard for Her; if you love Me you will love the Church.\"
\"i am a whore i do confess, i put You on just like a wedding dress and i run down the aisle, run down the aisle. i'm a prodical with no way home, i put You on just like a ring of gold and i run down the aisle, i run down the aisle to You.\"
-- Derek Webb, She must and Shall Go Free
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2003, 04:23:09 PM » |
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Yeah, that piece is going to get me in trouble. I'll post it as a review on the Base later this week, sans the typos.
It's not a bad book, mind you; just not my bag, and certainly not what I thought it would be. If pure syrup is what you like, then knock yourself out with L'Engle.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2003, 10:09:23 PM » |
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Ahh. Rebuttle time, huh? Josh and I had this discussion online yesterday, but I'll repeat for all you aguementative folk :-D
L'Engle has changed my writing forever. And she's changed my thoughts about art forever. To some degree, you're right. She writes with syrup. She comes down on the level of the reader and pats him/her on the back. There's a lot of head-nodding that goes on.
But at the same time, if you lay something on the line as you read, to read with interaction, with the willingness to change, to think, then some serious chin scratching will occur.
For me, Walking on Water was a slow read. It took me probably 6 months to read it. Granted, I am a slow reader, and granted, I am a pretty busy guy. But I think I could finish a book faster than that. But time after time I was forced to simply put the book down and ponder.
And I had to let her text sit on me. I had to sleep on it. Only then was I able to continue reading in the same ponderous manner... where true chin scratching happens.
So maybe Everyday Appocolypse is the chin-scratchers dream, because it's easy to think deeper than your average devotional book. But When you just "voraciously devour" your steak, you miss a lot of the taste.
Consider it rebutted.
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2003, 10:26:32 PM » |
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L'Engle has changed my writing forever. Irrelevant. I'm glad the book means something to you, but how does that say anything abouts its craftsmanship? She writes with syrup. She comes down on the level of the reader and pats him/her on the back. There's a lot of head-nodding that goes on.
Okay, this bothers me quite a bit, but it doesn't seem to be a problem for you. Already, we're simply coming from totally different places; I have little patience for sentimentality, whereas you apparently can tolerate it. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm just pointing out where our disagreement seems to begin. But at the same time, if you lay something on the line as you read, to read with interaction, with the willingness to change, to think, then some serious chin scratching will occur.
Wait- you're saying that I didn't read the book in such a way? Woa! Where did that accusation come from? So maybe Everyday Appocolypse is the chin-scratchers dream, because it's easy to think deeper than your average devotional book. That book is written with much more mystery and complexity than Walking on Water. L'Engle was direct and syrupy for a reason: the book is not meant to be deep theology. It's inspiration, not intellect. Totally different books. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2003, 11:13:24 PM » |
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Everday Apocalypse is now on hold at my library. They didn't have Walking on Water.
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Fun facts about Chuck Norris:
Newton's Third Law is wrong: Although it states that for each action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, there is no force equal in reaction to a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick.
Chuck Norris can divide by zero.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2003, 11:21:48 PM » |
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EA is difficult to read, but it's oh so rewarding!
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2003, 08:11:30 AM » |
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I would like to insert in here, in my spelling-Nazi sort of way, that' it's rebuttal, not rebuttle. Thank you. You may now return to your regularly scheduled debate  |
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2003, 10:58:37 AM » |
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vlad rocks my socks
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\"I haven't come for only you, but for my people to pursue. you cannot care for Me with no regard for Her; if you love Me you will love the Church.\"
\"i am a whore i do confess, i put You on just like a wedding dress and i run down the aisle, run down the aisle. i'm a prodical with no way home, i put You on just like a ring of gold and i run down the aisle, i run down the aisle to You.\"
-- Derek Webb, She must and Shall Go Free
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2003, 04:02:42 PM » |
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Alright.
It would seem that I'm the only person in the world who doesn't think Walking on Water is some kind of a masterpiece. And while it's not unusual for me to be going against the grain (I hate contemporary praise and worship music! HAHAHA!), I'm still genuinely baffled as to what on earth you people see in this book. So I'm going to read it again.
So stay tuned. In a few days I'll report back on whether I grow to like the book or still see it as syrupy fluff.
Now, anyone who says I'm an unfair or cruel critic can bite me.
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Vlad!
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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2003, 07:34:56 AM » |
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Alright.
It would seem that I'm the only person in the world who doesn't think Walking on Water is some kind of a masterpiece. And while it's not unusual for me to be going against the grain (I hate contemporary praise and worship music! HAHAHA!), I'm still genuinely baffled as to what on earth you people see in this book. So I'm going to read it again.
So stay tuned. In a few days I'll report back on whether I grow to like the book or still see it as syrupy fluff.
Now, anyone who says I'm an unfair or cruel critic can bite me. On the contrary, I think that you gave a quite rational explanation of why you didn't think it was worth being lauded to the skies, though you're also right that you tend to appreciate vastly different styles and motifs than most people here. I haven't read it, myself, but Mark probably has a copy, so maybe while he's in San Diego I'll find it and read it. |
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If you don’t have freedom as a principle, you can never see a reason not to make an exception. There are constantly going to be times when for one reason or another there’s some practical convenience in making an exception.
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2003, 09:24:04 AM » |
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It's an amazingly fast read, although I slowed down quite a bit when I came to chapter 3 and still wasn't having any fun; wouldn't want to miss anything because of my quickness.
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